Author Topic: Man Forced to remove Arabic t-shirt (Read 1961 times)

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #90 on:** August 31, 2006, 03:14:47 PM »

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What a surprise... The 1st Amendment doesn't apply at airports or airplanes.

Hell... the 4th doesn't apply either.
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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

As the shirt was in plain public view, so there was no search,

and as; the man still has his shirt so there was no seizure,

I guess that's right...the 4th doesn't apply here.

Sandman · « **Reply #91 on:** August 31, 2006, 03:21:04 PM »

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What a surprise... The 1st Amendment doesn't apply at airports or airplanes.

Hell... the 4th doesn't apply either.
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As the shirt was in plain public view, so there was no search,

and as; the man still has his shirt so there was no seizure,

I guess that's right...the 4th doesn't apply here.

Oh snap... They don't do searches and siezures at airports. My bad.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #92 on:** August 31, 2006, 03:29:57 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
Oh snap... They don't do searches and siezures at airports. My bad.

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He said he had cleared security at John F Kennedy airport for a flight back to his home in California when he was approached by two men who wanted to check his ID and boarding pass.

Mr Jarrar said he was told a number of passengers had complained about his T-shirt - apparently concerned at what the Arabic phrase meant - and asked him to remove it.

He refused, arguing that the slogan was not offensive and citing his constitutional rights to free expression.

By his own admission, the man had passed security...a search to which he willingly submitted himself.

The non search (he did not need to be searched because the shirt was in plain sight... come to think of it if it had not been in plain sight we would not be discussing it now would we?) and non siezure of his property, which he still has in his possesion, happened after he willingly agreed to be searched at security.

Yeah... your bad.

Sandman · « **Reply #93 on:** August 31, 2006, 03:31:22 PM »

I wasn't commenting on Raed Jarrar specifically. I was commenting on airports and airlines in general.

Here... I'll post it again, so you can re-read.

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Originally posted by Sandman
What a surprise... The 1st Amendment doesn't apply at airports or airplanes.

Hell... the 4th doesn't apply either.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #94 on:** August 31, 2006, 03:43:43 PM »

Then why were you sarcastic in your reply when I sort of agreed with you?

I seems a reasonable assumption that your post about the 1st and 4th not applying was a sarcastic remark.

Sandman · « **Reply #95 on:** August 31, 2006, 04:03:03 PM »

I was being sarcastic.

For some, the fact that the 1st Amendment doesn't apply in airports and airplanes is a revelation.

Hence, my reminder that the 4th Amendment hasn't applied for quite some time.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #96 on:** August 31, 2006, 05:02:20 PM »

As we voluntarily submit to a search of our persons and things when we pass security, the constitutional guarantee to unreasonable search and seizure is moot, as by submitting, we give approval of the process. A warrant is not required for a search that is approved of by the searched. Hence the 4th is intact.

The first is still in force in this particular case, because there is an implicit contract between the airline and passengers that certain behaviors are to be expected. Congress passed no law to require a certain wardrobe be worn, the airline told the man to change his shirt or stay off the plane.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #97 on:** August 31, 2006, 08:25:48 PM »

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It sucks to be an Arab/Muslim living in the US these days.

I totaly agree. He would be much happier in the citizen`s paradise in Sandland.

The nerve. Asking the moron to change his T shirt.
I think I`ll find out what rights group he hooks up with and file complaints against all the strip joi......errr gentlemens clubs who have requested the Harley apparel be removed or reversed.
My right to stick dollar bills into G-strings has been totaly stomped on.

Shamus · « **Reply #98 on:** August 31, 2006, 08:50:01 PM »

Was down in Deetroit a couple of years ago and saw a big'ol woman key a brand new pickup because it had a stars and bars plate on the front, i'm sure she felt she was justified.

shamus

Pongo · « **Reply #99 on:** September 01, 2006, 12:13:25 AM »

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Dunno what the big deal is. A corporation exercises its right to serve who it choses. No biggy.

If you think this is a big deal, then you really do not understand how things work in the U.S. as it pertains to corporations.

what he said,
plus if you want to be a provocative arab, an airliner is not the place to do it stupid.

Chairboy · « **Reply #100 on:** September 01, 2006, 12:20:09 AM »

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provocative arab

Is that like an "uppity negro"?

Slash27 · « **Reply #101 on:** September 01, 2006, 12:22:45 AM »

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Is that like an "uppity negro"?

Did the guy have a shovel too?

Saintaw · « **Reply #102 on:** September 01, 2006, 03:51:28 AM »

Good morning Seagoon.

That picture shows a female dressed in medieval style fashion and is obviously intent on killing me, i get it. If you remove the gun (and i suppose, any other weapons) she doesn't scare me more than a fluffy teddy bear would. she would probably be annoying, but dangerous... without a weapon?

I would find a well suited/polite/silent terrorist much scarier than a loud blashpemous t-shirt wearing student personaly, it's harder to spot them.

People who are affraid of some writing on a cloth make me cringe.

moot · « **Reply #103 on:** September 01, 2006, 04:03:08 AM »

Screaming fire in a tight crowd isn't a bad idea because there really is a fire..