Pistol vs. Revolver?

[SKJohn]

I use a Glock 26 and a Kel-Tec .32 for every day carry, but the most accurate handgun I own is my old S&W 686 .357.revolver.  It's the old-fashioned 6-shot kind.

Oops - I take that back.  My Ruger .22 auto is more accurate than the S&W revolver, but only with the ammo it likes.  I should have said my S&W is the most accurate centerfire handgun I own.

Overall, I'm old-fashioned enough that blued-steel and nice walnut grips turn me on, but it's hard to turn away from the lightweight ease of carry and the dependability of a modern semi-auto.


Lazs2 - just curious - do you carry full power magnum rounds in that scandium .357?  A while back the guy next to me at the range was firing one of those, the muzzle blast and recoil appeared to be terrible.  I supposed if you missed your target in a gunfight, you'd at least make him dirty his pants when you let go with that blaster!

[Terror]

Originally posted by Dago

Suave,  ammo is almost never the cause of an auto jam, it is almost always a bad magazine.

Ammo is a VERY common cause of jams in Auto's.  In the competitions I attend, I would say ammo is the cause 75-80% of the time.  

Weak mags are also a common causes, but ammo is top of the list...  

Terror

[Halo]

This article by Chuck Hawks is among several comprehensive home defense summaries that pop up on Google searches for best guns in various situations:  

http://www.chuckhawks.com/guns_home_defense.htm

[Innominate]

The only advantage left in revolvers is that they can fire much larger rounds.

[lazs2]

yep halo... the guy knows that revolvers are best.  

indominate.   do you reload?   do you shoot lead slugs?  do you use a variety of loads for things like defense and target and pliniking?  

the autoloader is a one trick pony.  It is for looks of for a holster for todays military and police to carry as an afterthought weapon.

The revolver is not only the best carry gun but it is the best plinker and the gun best suited to the reloader (reload and u can shoot more..  shoot more and you get better)

It is the best for hunting or long range work.   It is the most reliable.   It doesn't wear out in 2-10 thousand rounds and it doesn't care if you have every other round 50% less or more pressure than the other.  It will shoot 5-8 snake shot loads as fast as you can pull the trigger.

You don't have to guess if it is ready to shoot if it is loaded.   You don't have to do anything but take your finger off the trigger if you change your mind.    They are safer.     They can be left loaded and ready virtualy forever and still function when you need em to.

Most people never even clean a revolver.


Sk john... I shoot 125 grain JHP Federals out of the PD.   It is not pleasant to shoot at all.    I didn't buy it for a plinker.   It will shoot 4" groups at 25 yard even with me flinching like a girl.

The blast and recoil are in a whole nuther realm of pain.   It would set someone on fire at close range.   I have 1,000 rounds of Federal for it... probly a lifetime supply for that gun... you have to shoot it to know what I am saying...  

The gun is the best conceal carry gun ever.  Even if you carried a full size auto or whatever... you should have one of these in your front pocket.   It will end any close range encounter...  it is fully shrouded and can be fired from a pocket... five times if need be..  try that with an auto.  course... it will set your clothes on fire but......

Nope... I own semi autos.. they are fun.  some are even sorta reliable and some are allmost powerful if you don't have a good .357 or 44 around to comapare while you are shooting.   They are well made and have allmost no recoil so good for beggining shooters and women.

lazs

[Dago]

Originally posted by lazs2
yep halo... the guy knows that revolvers are best.  

indominate.   do you reload?   do you shoot lead slugs?  do you use a variety of loads for things like defense and target and pliniking?  

the autoloader is a one trick pony.  It is for looks of for a holster for todays military and police to carry as an afterthought weapon.

The revolver is not only the best carry gun but it is the best plinker and the gun best suited to the reloader (reload and u can shoot more..  shoot more and you get better)

It is the best for hunting or long range work.   It is the most reliable.   It doesn't wear out in 2-10 thousand rounds and it doesn't care if you have every other round 50% less or more pressure than the other.  It will shoot 5-8 snake shot loads as fast as you can pull the trigger.

You don't have to guess if it is ready to shoot if it is loaded.   You don't have to do anything but take your finger off the trigger if you change your mind.    They are safer.     They can be left loaded and ready virtualy forever and still function when you need em to.

Most people never even clean a revolver.


Sk john... I shoot 125 grain JHP Federals out of the PD.   It is not pleasant to shoot at all.    I didn't buy it for a plinker.   It will shoot 4" groups at 25 yard even with me flinching like a girl.

The blast and recoil are in a whole nuther realm of pain.   It would set someone on fire at close range.   I have 1,000 rounds of Federal for it... probly a lifetime supply for that gun... you have to shoot it to know what I am saying...  

The gun is the best conceal carry gun ever.  Even if you carried a full size auto or whatever... you should have one of these in your front pocket.   It will end any close range encounter...  it is fully shrouded and can be fired from a pocket... five times if need be..  try that with an auto.  course... it will set your clothes on fire but......

Nope... I own semi autos.. they are fun.  some are even sorta reliable and some are allmost powerful if you don't have a good .357 or 44 around to comapare while you are shooting.   They are well made and have allmost no recoil so good for beggining shooters and women.

lazs

Now I know you are just trolling me or you wouldn't make such ridiculous statements.

[lazs2]

which parts are false?  do you reload?  shoot long range?   carry one of your full sized but weak semi autos in your front pocket?

lazs

[Dago]

Originally posted by lazs2
which parts are false?  do you reload?  shoot long range?   carry one of your full sized but weak semi autos in your front pocket?

lazs

I already told you I dont reload brass, only shotgun.  Your weak memory isn't serving you well.

Yes I shoot long range, I use a rifle, like every other intelligent person I realize "proper tool for the job".

My weak semi-auto .45 will always do the job.  If you need a .44mag to compensate for some personal inadequacy, that means you need therapy, not a  handgun.

I don't carry in my front pocket.  Who in the hell does that?  Can't think of many worse places except maybe with an ankle holster, popular on tv yet worthless in real life.   I don't feel the need to carry at all, never bothered even getting the CCW yet.   Again, no personal feelings of insecurity or inadequacy have driven me to that.

Every, and I mean virtually every true gun expert in the world states that the flatter design of a semi-auto is better suited to concealed carry, yet you are the one and only "true expert" who knows better.

The acceleration to "the most powerful handgun in the world" is a ridiculous folly.  With caliber up to .600 now, you have useless novelties that nobody really enjoys shooting.

You want a long range handgun?  Get a Thompson Contender, and here is a secret, it isn't a revolver.  And by the way, it shoots extremely powerful cartridges, your choice among many calibers.  It is neither semi-auto or revolver.  

Here is a challenge, if we stood 300 yards apart, you with your handgun, me with an M1A, want to takes bets who would be favored to win that one?

A handgun is just something to get you back to your rifle.

IF someone wants a good home defense weapon, and isnt going to be practicing weekly, he is better off with a shotgun, if he wants a handgun, he is better off with a semi-auto.  Less felt recoil, less tendancy to flinch, and more ammo to continue the fight.

Revolvers. -  a slowly dieing weapon.  

[lazs2]

dago dago dago.... poor guy...  Have you ever even seen a 340PD?  it will easily fit into the front pocket of your pants and not be a bother... if you use a good pocket holster like the desanitis....the holster stays in the pocket and the revolver comes out ready for action in a snap.   You simply have no semi auto that comes close.

As for your example...

if we both had rifles and pistols and were 300 yards away and both ran out of ammo in the rifles..... if you had your 45 and I had my 44..... you would be.... unarmed in my estimation.   I could easily hit you with the 44.  

Heck.... I could hit you with it while you were fighting with the new mag for the m1a for that matter.

revolvers aren't for everyone.  they are for people who like handguns and like shooting em.   semi autos are fine in 22 and even bigger calibers if all you want to do is carry em around in a holster of shoot a couple thousand round a lifetime out of em at targets that aren't too dangerous or far away or hiding behind something.

I like my Kimber 45 but it is a pretty weak caliber with fragile brass.   fine for short range plinking or being on the nightstand so that my granddaughter (or most people) can't figure out how to make it fire.   Being a weak round... it probly won't overpenetrate either.  

I worry that it will wear out tho even tho so far I have only fired 3 or 4 thousand rounds through it.  

lazs

[Terror]

Originally posted by Innominate
The only advantage left in revolvers is that they can fire much larger rounds.

Ya got the 50AE in the Desert Eagle line of auto's...

Pertty big round there...

Terror

[Dago]

Originally posted by Terror
Ya got the 50AE in the Desert Eagle line of auto's...

Pertty big round there...

Terror

Yeah, the 50 in the DE is a big sucker, while I have only fired the Desert Eagle in .44, I enjoyed it, and found it both easy to fire and accurate.  Have shot one in a bowling pin match a couple time, had fun.

I can't imagine why anyone would want anything bigger though.

[Dago]

Originally posted by lazs2


if we both had rifles and pistols and were 300 yards away and both ran out of ammo in the rifles..... if you had your 45 and I had my 44..... you would be.... unarmed in my estimation.   I could easily hit you with the 44.  

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I wouldn't need a reload, heck, doubt I would even need a second shot.  But if I did, I would have 19 more ready.  It would never get to the point of needing to reload.

revolvers aren't for everyone.  they are for people who like handguns and like shooting em.   semi autos are fine in 22 and even bigger calibers if all you want to do is carry em around in a holster of shoot a couple thousand round a lifetime out of em at targets that aren't too dangerous or far away or hiding behind something.

I like my Kimber 45 but it is a pretty weak caliber with fragile brass.   fine for short range plinking or being on the nightstand so that my granddaughter (or most people) can't figure out how to make it fire.   Being a weak round... it probly won't overpenetrate either.  

I worry that it will wear out tho even tho so far I have only fired 3 or 4 thousand rounds through it.  

lazs

It is a very rare shooter going to shoot in excess of 10 grand, and I doubt a quality auto would have a lot of problem getting there anyway.

I know you can't be serious about a "weak" round.  While my Father was in the military, an MP shot a gun through the back of a jeep seat with a .45 and did him in.  I guess that is strong enough for 99% of the problems a person would face.  If you need anything stronger, get a rifle.  They are infinitly more controllable than a large caliber revolver.

I am curious why, if the revolver is the perfect weapon, oh so powerful and accurate, why does the military carry them silly long rifles and semi-auto handguns?  Don't they know anything about guns???  Them darn rookies.

Oh yeah, btw, you said some revolver shooters dont even bother to clean their weapons.  I gather accuracy isn't a concern then because lead and/or copper fouling would certainly destroy any hope of accuracy.

[Dago]

Originally posted by Terror
Revolvers have more moving parts?  I guess I would have to disagree with that statement.  Semi-auto's have to rely on alot more moving parts and springs than revolvers.  I would have to say the revolvers are more reliable from a pure shot to shot perspective.  
Terror

If you did a little checking, you would find the majority of autos have less than 50 parts, the majority of revolvers over 50.   Its an uncommon auto to go past 50 parts, a rare revolver under 50.   The German Luger has 40 parts.  The Colt Commander has 49 parts, the Colt Python has 57.  The Ruger Redhawk has 77 parts, the Ruger P90 auto has 51.  The SW19 has something around 75 parts, not uncommon for a revolver.

On average, the revolver has more parts.

That is just a fact, not an opinion.

[deSelys]

At least, when Beet1e was here, the gun fans weren't yelling at each other.

I'm looking forward to the upcoming inox-vs-blue steel thread.

[SKJohn]

Originally posted by Dago
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I don't carry in my front pocket.  Who in the hell does that?  

   

That's where I carry my Kel-Tec, in the left front pocket on the opposite side from  my Glock.
As Lazs2 said, if you have a good quality pocket holster, the weapon is protected from all the pocket lint, etc., yet comes out instantly if needed.
Having it in your pocket also allowns you to quote Blazing Saddles when you need to draw:

" 'scuse me while I whip this out!"