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Offline rabbidrabbit

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« on: September 03, 2006, 09:48:55 AM »
I need to redo my deck.  It is about 600 sq ft and I'm thinking about composite decking like Trex.  Anyone know their decking better than I?  I'll be selling the house in about a year so wood would look fine then but am I just as well off with the composite stuff and argueing low maintenance and quality?  Thoughts?

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« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2006, 09:53:18 AM »
Was just talking about that with a someone I know who just had theirs redone.

THEIR opinion of Trex was. nice stuff but gets alot hotter to walk on barefoot in the summer then its wood counterpart.
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« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2006, 09:58:05 AM »
You'll pay a lot more for the synthetic and you probably won't get the money back when you sell...  A properly sealed deck will probably be cheaper and sell just as well.  Seal each deck piece before putting it together so you can get the whole thing sealed.  Put on extra coats as necessary and replace any that warp before they change color too much.
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« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2006, 10:51:31 AM »
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You'll pay a lot more for the synthetic and you probably won't get the money back when you sell...  A properly sealed deck will probably be cheaper and sell just as well.  Seal each deck piece before putting it together so you can get the whole thing sealed.  Put on extra coats as necessary and replace any that warp before they change color too much.


too much sealer will cause puddling and sticky shiney spots which you dont want.
Most manufacturers reccomend only 1 coat of sealer.

If applying a stain or a tinted sealer make sure you work the entire length of the boards from one end to the other maintaining a wet edge to avoid lap marks.

If you start one board. or series of boards (I usually do 3-4 at a time. )
Do NOT stop on those boards untill you have reached the end.
In otherwords
Once you start a board or series of boards. Dont decide to take a break or go to the bathroom or stop for any reason untill the length from one end of the board/s to the other is completed

Again. this is to avoid lap marks.
If you dont. What you will end up with if your looking down at it is a series of horizontal stripes going against the grain against a verticle surface

Had a potential customer turn down my bid on staining her house because fo price to hire someone "Cheaper"
Told her. "Well You can get someone else to do it cheaper, or you can have me do it right."


Well I used to drive past that house almost every day and watched it progress

Soon as I saw the name on the truck who ended up doin the work I knew what was gonna happen.

After a week her once beautiful cedar planked  horizontal siding had been stained with a semitransparent stain which is what she wanted.
Unfortunately that horizontal siding now had a series of vertical stripes running up and down the entire thing where he worked vertically against the way the siding ran instead of horizontally.

Next thing you know Im getting a phone call from the lady asking me to come back and take a look at it and see what I could do to fix it.
(interesting her change in attitude too)

Well I saw an opportunity here.
Since the guy that did it I know to do low quality work for a absurdly cheap price. And since the lady was so "Friendly" (read pissy) the first time.

I refused saying "I warned you this would happen. You didnt go out to buy your BMW and expect to only pay for a Saturn did you?"
And that I was now too busy to fix it in the time frame she needed it done. But that since he had started it already he should be the one who finished it since they already had a contract he was obligated to finish it right and for the same price. Told her she would now be better off going with either a solid stain or just painting it which is exactly what she didnt want.
but now thats exactly what she has.

He ended up finishing it. From what I understand from one of her neighbors that I regularly do work for after some rather loud arguing and threats of a lawsuit.
I know it hand to kill him financially both in material and time lost redoing everything.
 Which is just fine by me
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« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2006, 11:06:33 AM »
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Was just talking about that with a someone I know who just had theirs redone.

THEIR opinion of Trex was. nice stuff but gets alot hotter to walk on barefoot in the summer then its wood counterpart.


I have trex and I will confirm your acquaintence's observation.  It does get HOT.

However, it doesn't warp, rot, or splinter and never needs sealing.  Yank it off the truck, cut to length with normal wood-type tools and screw in place like wood.  

Doesn't get much easier than that.

I'd do it again.
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« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2006, 11:15:51 AM »
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I have trex and I will confirm your acquaintence's observation.  It does get HOT.

However, it doesn't warp, rot, or splinter and never needs sealing.  Yank it off the truck, cut to length with normal wood-type tools and screw in place like wood.  

Doesn't get much easier than that.

I'd do it again.

I use the same type material only smooth to replace rotted trim on the outside of houses now. Especially around the bases of  porch collumns where they tend to rot out.

I concur. a bit more expencive but the stuff comes  already preprimed, and works wonderfully.

Easier to work with then wood I think
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« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2006, 11:19:39 AM »
I don't have any experiance with decking. It's just not a common item in Southern AZ. at all. I did notice last week however that the park service in Yosemite has started using the artificial stuff to make their walkways and viewing platforms for the geyser and other areas.
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« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2006, 08:14:49 PM »
ITs nice stuff to look at. it really is.

My main question about the new decking is not if its going to rot.
But how its gonna look over time.

Remember Aluminum siding was orginally advertised that "you would never have to repeint your house again"
Well thats not entirely true the finish dries out and chalks, and it dents.
Looks WONDERFUL with a fresh paintjob though

Vinyl siding was touted that it would never fade because the color went all the way through the peice instead of just being on the suface.

Well thats not entirely accurate either.
I mean its true the color is all through it. UInfortunately you only see the top layer


It does indeed fade over timeand I have seen some cases where it appears to have dried out and become downright brittle.
It also stains

Not to mention that they keep changing the colors of the stuff so if one section gets damaged. or you do an addition. You cant get the exact same color to match.

I want to see this stuff after 10-15 years of wear and tear on it. And exposure to the elements
IT may not rot. but if you have to replace it because of damage every 10 years then you didint really save anything
ITs not like wood where it can be sanded down like a floor and refinished.
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« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2006, 08:19:11 PM »
here is the trex info.  They claim there is very little fading..

http://www.trex.com/products/installation/

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« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2006, 08:31:46 PM »
It isnt just the fading I have questions with.
But also how well it wears and taks to the elements and abuse

How well does it withstand scratches and gouges.
Will it pit over time to to the elements.
Will it stain from the elements, Leaves,spills etc
How does it wear under foot traffic? After 10 years will that nice fancy simulated woodgrain be worn smooth?

etc etc.

Think Ill pick up a peice tomorrow and build something small with it and leave it outside for a few years.
Do my own tests like I did with the sidewalk
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« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2006, 08:45:29 PM »
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How well does it withstand scratches and gouges.


It doesn't.  It's literally hardened Saw Dust and Glue putty.  Any hard hit (which would leave a dent in wood) will take out material from Trex.

While it's easy to work with, it's hard to work around.
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« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2006, 10:51:12 PM »
Having a large traditional wooden deck on the back of our house for about 20 years, I can vouch for the need to keep it covered with a good coat of top rated solid color stain, not semi-transparent or the generally worthless transparent unless you enjoy painting your deck every year.  

After talking with neighbors who are using the new synthetic wood, if I ever add another deck it will have the new synthetic wood at least on horizontal surfaces for max durability.

However, be careful with synthetic decks because they are much more slippery than painted or stained wooden surfaces.  A neighbor was using a ladder just as he had always used it when the ladder slipped on the synthetic surface and dumped the guy flat on his back.  

Could have been a very serious injury, but so far he has escaped with only lingering aches and pains after a couple months.
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