So Much "Fuzzy Logic" Coming from the Libs...

[Cabby]

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"Btw, that "Debate Number One Personality" phrase you concocted is kind of charming, in an absurd kind of way. Hell, if only Gore found a way to work something like that into his campaign, well.... we might not even be having this conversation right now "

Then please translate this from the Canadien....

You are the only person i have ever heard of (outside the DNC} that ever claimed that Daley didn't steal the election for Kennedy.  Your ignorance of Democratic Party political operatives is breathtaking.  As a former Democrat, i have personal experience with their well-known ballot-box shenanigans.  

But hell, you know better, don't ya...

Cabby

[Wanker]

Funked, how many times do I have to say it? I realize that the electoral college is how we elect the president. I'm not even saying that I disagree with it. Okay?

But, the truth is that more voters want Gore to be President. Not electoral votes, I said real live, honest to goodness VOTERS. You can dance around that fact any way you want, but it's still the truth.

And I really don't care if you're a Republican or not. You have an opinion, and I respect your right to express it. I also reserve the right to tell you how wrong you are.  

Cabby, what's up with all the hostility? Can't you learn to debate without going ballistic? Try it, just once. And calling people names just makes you look even more reactionary than you already are.

[Wanker]

Mighty1,

I agree with you, but there are not enough absentee ballots to swing the popular vote in Bush's favor. No matter what happens, history will record that Bush won the presidency with the electoral vote, and Gore lost the presidency while winning the popular vote.

I did find it amusing that you so casually regard Gore's 220,000 vote lead as inconsequential, and yet you find Bush's lead of 300-1000 votes in Florida as hugely significant.

And please. Are we going to start a name calling contest? Bore? Are we going to reduce what could be a meaningful discussion into me calling you "Flighty1" and you calling me "Spanker"? I hope not.

[Cabby]

banana:

Understand this:  

I am not "debating".  There is nothing to debate.   Cry-Baby Al and his thugs are attempting to hijack an election and destroy the US Constitution in the process.   To many, many American's of this, there is no question.

I have been in contact with my Republican Congresswoman and have written/emailed/and spoken with people in the Republican National Committee in DC.   These people tell me they are being swamped by thousands of citizen emails, phonecalls, etc. insisting, in a nutshell,  that the Republican Party do this:

DONT BACK DOWN.

One more thing:  I stand by my evaluation of Al Gore, Jr.  He is a lying, traitorous, coward.  And no one knows this better than the people of Tennessee, Gore's home state.

Cabby  

[PC]

Cabby, OUTSTANDING!

I wonder what my man Bob Barr thinks about this?

PC

[funked]

banana I love you man!

[Nash]

Oh my... "My Man Bob Barr"?

Yikes  

Cabby, you are like a cartoon.

You dismissed my rebuttle to some odd bit of crap you intended to make us believe... and when I backed it up with <shudder> a rational reply.... you instead completely ignored that and dug up for the second time a reference to one of the strangest quotes I've ever seen, even coming from you.

You seriously want to make an issue of "Debate Number One Personality"?

 

(me) "Btw, that "Debate Number One Personality" phrase you concocted is kind of charming, in an absurd kind of way. Hell, if only Gore found a way to work something like that into his campaign, well.... we might not even be having this conversation right now "

(you) Then please translate this from the Canadien....

Number one, I have no idea what you mean by "please translate this from Canadien "(sp).

Number two - What in the world are you trying to say with that? What is your point?

Number three - You charged Bill Daley with...er... *something*. I asked you to back it up... yet I get your "Debate Number One Personality" phrase yet again instead. Care to actually substantiate your original claim?

Number four - Have you got *anything* relevant to say when you hit the reply button? At all? Not that I don't enjoy the comedy of it or anything. That is some *good* stuff Cabby. Real good material.

But in all seriousness here... Please listen closely.

Cabby, crack is a serious addiction. Sure, it may seem all fuzzy and warm initially. But as time goes on, you will find yourself bankrupt, homeless, without friends, and posting complete nonsense on BBS's.

Seek help.

[Nash]

But OK... at the risk of gettin' all factual and, erhm...reality based, lets take a look at this:

 

You are the only person i have ever heard of (outside the DNC} that ever claimed that Daley didn't steal the election for Kennedy.

So? I can't help it if, say, you hang out with ignorant shrecks. That's not MY problem. I can discuss this with you if you like. Hell - I even backed up my position with data that you have so casually ignored.

If your point is that I'm the ony person who hasn't claimed that Daley stole the election, well.... neato... so what? I'm not to blame for your circle of friends nor your reading habits.

If your point is that Daley actually DID steal the election for Kennedy... well, if you've got anything to back that up, you know where to find me. I'm most capable of refuting it, and I think you know that. Gimme your best shot at it, if you feel so inclined.

 

Your ignorance of Democratic Party political operatives is breathtaking. As a former Democrat, i have personal experience with their well-known ballot-box shenanigans.

Uhm... yah OK  

I'm listening Cabby... Spill the beans.

Something tells me that your gonna conveniently plead the 5th here.

And by the way... your term "Democratic Party political operatives" is very enlightening... in much the same way as discovering that toejam actually stinks is enlightening.

Dig deep Cabby... you're about three posts away from *me* deciding to "drop you from any further discussion".

[Cabby]

Quote:

"crack is a serious addiction. Sure, it may seem all fuzzy and warm initially. But as time goes on, you will find yourself bankrupt, homeless, without friends, and posting complete nonsense on BBS's.

Seek help."

Funny, i was thinking the same thing about you.  That is, except for the "fuzzy and warm" part, as i have no first hand experience with "crack".  I do have first-hand experience with the Liberal-Left Wing of the Democratic Party though.  

I attended college in the 1960's in California.  San Francisco native.  Joined several student-radical groups.  Demonstrated.  Lived in Berkeley, CA. Lived on a commune in Mendocino County, Ca. Been there done that.  I know very well the politics, tactics, and ultimate goal of the Neo-Socialists/New Left.  You may choose to believe me or not.  I couldn't care less.

Once again, i am not "debating" you or anyone else.   I no longer listen to Liberal/Leftist BS and i don't bother with line-by-line BBS discussions/refutations with Liberal/Leftist proselytizers/apologists.  I'm a busy professional with little time and little patience for it.  So go ahead and post your so-called "facts" and opinion until your blue-in-the-face.  It won't change my opinion one whit.

 So permit me to re-phrase some of your rhetoric:  In regards to the actions of Cry-Baby Al and the Dems in Floriduh(and your lame excuses for same), i can only say: "If it smells like toejam, looks like toejam, and feels like toejam, it must be toejam".

BTW, perhaps you could elaborate further on the physiological effects of "crack", or have you just read or watched a TV show about it???

Here's a link to an article in today's Washington Post(Liberal paper, so you should not have any qualms about reading it)by George Will.  He uses basically the same strong language i use in describing the despicable Cry-Baby Al and his Democratic thugs:   http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64817-2000Nov11.html

Cabby




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[CavemanJ]

Actually Nash, both parties have played with the ballot box in the past.  However, the democrats have a much more documented history of it.  And as soon as I can find the links to where I read all this wonderful information I'll be happy to post it for you.

And with some of the leftist types I've met, "Democratic Party political operatives" is a very apt description.

[Nash]

The Washington Post *can* be viewed as a "Liberal", if it pleases you. George Will is most certainly *not* (are you familiar with his work?). This article, like much of what's been posted on this board, contains much more of the common opinionated, unsubstantiated, ...erhm I could go on.

Consider this sentence: "Liberalism's fondness for judicial fiat rather than democratic decision-making explains the entwinement of the Democratic Party and trial lawyers."

Folks, this aint journalsim, it's editorialism. Either you don't know the difference, or your being disengenous when you offer up the the fact that this was printed in the Washington Post; as if this in and of itself lends some kind of "it must be true" credence to this article.

At the very least, no matter *what* your views on the Washington Post's political bent, it shows it can allow for other opinions... which is much more than I can say for some of you.

[Kieren]

So, what is your opinion on our country? What is your vote? And why should I care?

I mean really... I'm beginning to think this is just fun-and-games for you. There are people here who are seriously pissed about what is happening (I am one of them). You seem to be siding with the liberal side, and if so, I am vehemently against you on this issue, no offense intended of course.

This DNC is blasting the Republicans for trying to get an injunction, stating that it is terrible they started the litigation process- ignoring the fact that the DNC encouraged and is financially supporting the 8 lawsuits filed this week against the state of Florida.

Republicans are unable to do a manual recount in Florida because the deadline is passed; it passed because they didn't want to play the Democrat game and extend this process out. The Democrats are going to exploit that error and win Florida. This is not fair, as it will certainly be a biased recount.

The Republicans will be forced to contest every close state in order to take away some of the electoral votes from Gore. This will mean recounts, re-recounts, hand counts, etc. in at least four different states, if not more. This will not be finished overnight, and all the time the American public will twist in the breeze. Tell me how I have this wrong if you understand our political system so much better than I do.

Bush can take the office without the serious backlash Gore will have because the Republicans have allowed recounts to this point. It is obvious to many by this point that no recount will be accepted by the Democrats until Gore is the winner. A Gore victory means the Democrats have stolen the election.

In America, we broke away from Britain for a very similar reason; our lack of voice in our government. There is no way a Gore administration will be considered legitimate under the current conditions.

[Nash]

"So, what is your opinion on our country? What is your vote? And why should I care?"

I think it's a great country, I didn't vote, and I'm not asking you to care.

"I mean really... I'm beginning to think this is just fun-and-games for you."

I'm beginning to think that anyone who holds a differing opinion than you must be only trying to be antagonistic, or insencere.

It would be a pretty pathetic situation if this board's inhabitants were able (or even desire)to quash any discussion that runs counter to their own beleifs.

You really oughta come to the realization that not everyone thinks alike. In my opinion, that's a damn good thing.



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[Cabby]

Quote:

"Folks, this aint journalsim, it's editorialism. "

However you choose  to describe Will's column, it's the truth.  And the Conservative side get's precious little of that commodity in the Media these days.  

A column is by definition an editorial.  It's not a news report.   We, of course, know that the Media always presents a fair and unbiased news report written by fair and unbiased reporters.  And if you believe that......

Nash, i'm going to leave you with this quote:


Good intentions will always be pleaded for any assumption of power. The Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.

-Daniel Webster

Cabby

[Kieren]

You wanted opinions, I gave you mine. I am not stopping you from posting. That is debate.

I disagree with you. I think Gore is a criminal. I don't want him in office. I think he will do anything and everything in his bid for power. I feel this with every fibre of my being.

Clinton/Gore committed nothing short of treason with their acceptance of money from the Chinese during their '96 campaign, and the subsequent discovery that missile secrets have been spirited away to the Chinese seems like something we ought to be concerned about. I believe the two events are connected. I believe Gore is intrinsically intertwined with Clinton on this and many other issues. Gore broke federal campaign finance law by soliciting funds on federal property.

You know the primary purpose of the office of president? To make sure laws are carried out. How can Gore effectively carry out the law when he won't follow it himself? He's lied right to our faces just like Clinton has. He just isn't creditible IMHO.