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Chairboy · « **Reply #15 on:** September 04, 2006, 11:42:02 AM »

For building fundamentals, I'd suggest that inexpensive ammo is important. Short of BBs, it doesn't get much cheaper than .22.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #16 on:** September 04, 2006, 11:51:59 AM »

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Originally posted by Chairboy
For building fundamentals, I'd suggest that inexpensive ammo is important. Short of BBs, it doesn't get much cheaper than .22.

nirvana · « **Reply #17 on:** September 04, 2006, 01:05:48 PM »

Bolt actions have always been appealing, not sure why. I don't plan on going into combat so i don't need to fire off a ton of lead at once. Finding a place to shoot around here is tough now, too much damn development.

Oh yeah, I heard the Mossberg 500 was heavy and less versatile then the 870, although it's cheaper.

Maverick · « **Reply #18 on:** September 04, 2006, 03:16:40 PM »

If you insist on a pump, or any other shotgun, and want versatility get one with changable choke tubes. Using the proper choke and ammunition will make it far more usefull than you think.

Golfer · « **Reply #19 on:** September 04, 2006, 03:24:01 PM »

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Originally posted by nirvana
Bolt actions have always been appealing, not sure why. I don't plan on going into combat so i don't need to fire off a ton of lead at once. Finding a place to shoot around here is tough now, too much damn development.

Oh yeah, I heard the Mossberg 500 was heavy and less versatile then the 870, although it's cheaper.

I have a Mossberg 500 20 gauge. It's light as a feather, holds 6 rounds and with a little graphite lube will have the fastest slide this side of a benelli.

Mine's out of action now because there's a little metal tab on the end of the slide that broke from too much wear. Mine has an improved cylinder skeet barrel and has no problems shooting double/doubles on a skeet range.

Almost as fun as the 1100 youth remington I still use for an extra challenge while dove hunting.

For rifles:
You can't go wrong with a ruger 10/22 or a marlin .22 semi automatic. You'll learn the shooting mechanics and even with a stock barrel you'll hit the apple every time at 100 yards. I like to empty the gun as fast as possible and find that at 100yds i'll be 'in the ring' of a paper plate with all 18 shots.

Buy 500rd bricks of ammo on sale at places like cabelas, gander mountain or wherever there is a sale. I use Remington thunderbolt. Seems to give you a lot of shots with the least amount of fouling with anything i've shot. Plenty of knockdown power for varmints.

For those bigger varmints...I have a .270 winchester and a .300 win mag Remington.

LePaul · « **Reply #20 on:** September 04, 2006, 03:36:04 PM »

.22 has a more lethal range than any other gun i know of

I thought they had the highest fps?

Someone mentioned that to me, I was surprised my lowly .22 was all that

Golfer · « **Reply #21 on:** September 04, 2006, 03:50:16 PM »

was it the salesman?

They're good guns but since I have no data with me that would be printed on the cartridge boxes I can say there are plenty of rounds faster.

For total weight of the round though with casing/powder/bullet its the most bang for the buck.

Dago · « **Reply #22 on:** September 04, 2006, 04:09:44 PM »

10/22 is a great rifle, first one or not. Ammo is cheap, noise is low, virtually no recoil. But in any gun purchase, the purpose you intend for the gun is the key. If you just want a fun rifle to plink cans or shoot some targets, you can't beat the 10/22. I love shooting 500 rounds a weekend.

For more serious game, a larger rifle would be in order. Again, it depends on the purpose you need the gun for.

For shotguns, the Remington 870 is a top field gun. Today I would recommend if the extra bucks are available to consider an 1100 instead, but getting started on an 870 is a good way to go.

nirvana · « **Reply #23 on:** September 04, 2006, 04:37:41 PM »

Shotgun would just be for skeet/home protection. Rifle would just be for fun, popping off a few hundred rounds a weekend at the range maybe.

aztec · « **Reply #24 on:** September 04, 2006, 05:01:41 PM »

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Originally posted by LePaul
.22 has a more lethal range than any other gun i know of

I thought they had the highest fps?

Someone mentioned that to me, I was surprised my lowly .22 was all that

Are you talking about .22 rimfires, or centerfires such as .220Swift, .223 etc.

flakbait · « **Reply #25 on:** September 04, 2006, 06:02:53 PM »

.22 rimfires range from 1,000-1,700 feet/sec depending on brand, weight, etc...

.220 Swift can scream along at 4,200 feet/sec in some varmint loads.

.22-250 Rem ranges from 3,500 to 4,100 fps

.223 Rem varies from 2,750 to 3,700 fps

A mile is 5,280 feet.

What Chairboy said is darn-near gospel. I cut my trigger finger on a .22 Marlin before moving up to larger calibers and it did wonders for my shooting ability. Caliber means squat if you can't shoot with a damn. You can get a .22 or you can get a CMP Garand. The difference being, if you can't shoot worth crap using a .22 rimfire you won't spend much money. Or develop bad habits like flinching. A 500 round brick of .22 long rifle can be had for the price of two large pizzas if you eyeball ammo sales. Sometimes a sporting goods shop will need to get rid of bulk .22 LR and throw it out there dirt cheap.

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lasersailor184 · « **Reply #26 on:** September 04, 2006, 10:07:55 PM »

C'mon guys. .22's are for teaching kids about shooting mechanics. And women.

Nirvana is just about to become a man, and he's definately not a woman. The lowest caliber he can go without his entire sexuality coming into question is .223 . Anything around a .30 caliber is man material.

And just so you know, the lighter the gun, the heavier the recoil. F=MA. The shotgun shell is pushing the same amount of force, no matter the gun. However, a heavier gun, means that it kicks (accelerates) less.

Chairboy · « **Reply #27 on:** September 04, 2006, 10:12:33 PM »

So you're saying that the size of your gun controls your feelings of masculinity? Fascinating!

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #28 on:** September 04, 2006, 10:28:32 PM »

Would you use a Tonka Truck to teach a contractor how to use a Front End Loader?

**** no! You sit his bellybutton down in a real Front End Loader!

Toad · « **Reply #29 on:** September 04, 2006, 10:36:00 PM »

It would appear that Nirvana is just starting his shooting career.

If that is the case, a .22 is just the thing for teaching mechanics. Ammo is cheap, encouraging a lot of shooting. Recoil is absolutely nil, which removes one potential obstacle to learning proper mechanics. With a highly accurate .22, he can eliminate "the gun" as a potential cause when judging his mechanics and result accuracy.

A .22 is a great gun to use to learn to shoot. No matter age at which you begin.

I'll say this again too... 870's are cheap and reliable but if they don't fit you, you won't shoot them well. Remington stocks in general have a lot of drop; the 870 does.

Typically, Length of Pull is 14 inches, Drop (Comb) is 1 1/2 inches and Drop (Heel) is 2 1/2 inches.

Drop at comb is probably the most critical of all the factors involving fit.

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It is at the point of the comb that our cheek rests while sighting. If this distance is right, then when we "spot weld" our cheek on it, our eye falls naturally in line with the sights. We can throw the gun to our shoulder for a quick shot and not have to readjust the position before firing.

It is obvious that this measurement is extremely important on a shotgun stock, or any long gun with no rear sight. The drop at comb IS the rear sight.

If the comb is too high, the eye is forced high, also, and we will tend to shoot high. To counteract this tendency, we mash our cheek too hard against the stock, trying to lower the eye. This isn't a comfortable, natural way to aim, and, in addition, will lead to our being smacked hard in the cheek from the recoil of the gun.

If the comb is too low, the eye is too low, and we will tend to shoot low. To avoid this, we find ourselves placing our cheek very lightly on the comb, or even raising our cheek off the stock a bit. Neither is good for accuracy.

The combination of your particular body dimensions , length of pull and "slope" from Drop at Comb to Drop at Heel determines where your eye will be in relation to line of sight along the top of the barrel.

If a gun fits you, when you naturally raise it to your shoulder, the comb will meet your cheek in a place that puts the eyes right on the line of sight down the barrel. It is amazingly easy to hit with such a gun.

Do yourself a favor: get fitted and research manufacturer stock dimensions. Buy something that is as close as possible to your measurements. It may cost a bit more but it is really invaluable.