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Offline FUNKED1

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« on: September 04, 2006, 01:12:42 PM »
Nice historical reference on the Iraq war.  I thought I'd share.  :)

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« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2006, 01:21:18 PM »
4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.
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« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2006, 01:25:14 PM »
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« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2006, 01:48:50 PM »
Hi Funked,

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Nice historical reference on the Iraq war.  I thought I'd share.  :)

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You're telling us Mother Jones is against the war (name a war, any war) and that they don't like President Bush? Now that is shocking. Next thing you'll be telling us they are in favor of drug legalization, easy immigration, abortion on demand, enviornmentalism and free love. What's next, a fantasy snuff-movie where the President they hate more than the Taliban gets assassinated? Whoops, too late...

Personally, I'm getting a little tired of BDS. He's far from being my favorite politician either, but in a world stocked with Chiracs, Ahmadinejads, Putins, Al-Bashirs, Assads, Jong-Ils, etc. etc. ad infinitum, making out Bush to be the biggest of the bug-bears is just absurd.

As one wag put it, regarding a picture of protestors outside the White House carrying a sign that said: "George Bush / Adolf Hitler" can you tell the difference? I can't." his comment was "Had they tried that outside of the Reichstag during the reign of the aforementioned German dictator, they would quickly have learned the difference."
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« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2006, 02:30:12 PM »
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Who sent you with this message funked? I don't think you really know what the word messenger means anymore. Quit trying to hide behind "ad homininem". It's getting old. So is your newly self serving attempt at righteousness.
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« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2006, 02:42:26 PM »
YOU GUYS NEED TO THANK GOERGE BUSH FOR SAVING YOU.  SADDAM *INSANE* HAD MIG25S BURIED IN THE DESSERT THAT WERE JUST WAITING TO ATTACK AMERICA AGAIN.  PLUS HE HAD SOME MORTOR SHELLS THAT HE WAS GOING TO LOB AT US TOO.  SO I FOR ONE AM THANKFUL THAT WE HAVE SOUCH A INTELIGENT PRESIDENT AND I DONT" CARE WHAT THEM LIBRULES SAY, CAUSE BUSH DOESNT ANSWER TO THEM, GOD TELLS HIM DIRECTLY WHAT TO DO.  BESIDES FUNKED, WHY YOU SO HATEFUL???  WE ARE WINNING THE WAR IN IRAQ, DEFENCE SECRETERRY RUMSFIELD SAYS THE INSURGENCY IS IN ITS LAST THROWS.  OUR TROOPS WILL BE HOME BY CHRISTMAS!!!!!!
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« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2006, 03:14:57 PM »
To all of you messengers:

If you were ever to deliver a bad message in person with a smile on your face, you would learn the difference between an "ad hominem attack" and an appropriate response.

Get over yourselves already. That goes for any of the "THIS LINK SHOWS HOW RIGHT I AM IN MY BELIEFS!!!!" posters. The truly ironic thing is that people like funked will go that extra mile to make fun of a religioius "zealot" without realizing the irony.

Stop being a zealot. Stop trying to "piss the other side off". You're not delivering a message, you're sending one. Big difference. And, the message you're sending has nothing to do with the politics involved, but rather the level of response you merit.

You've hopped in with the likes of nuke and weaze funkypants. Congradulations.
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« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2006, 03:17:37 PM »
You know...

Your Military is not against this war.

When the troops start whining that it's too costly, then there is a problem.

Nothing was ever won overnight.

Besides do any of you have any idea how stupid it seemed to be out there patrolling the Arabian Gulf stopping smugglers  for 10 years trying to enforce the BS sanctions. It was almost as useful as patrolling the carribean in this war on drugs. At least after we do finally pull out. That stupidity will be at an end.
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« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2006, 03:47:11 PM »
You have been promoted to the rank of Capt. Obvious, politicians lie?, golly gee... no way!! This is not new, news, or anythng but SOP.

Dums & Repubes are filthy liars & hypocrites because they are PAID FOR, little more than $20 crack ho willing to compromise themselves to get what they want..

The "party" bank rolled them into office and expects, no... demands, that all free thinking about whats best for "the people" be replaced with the "party line". Cant everybody see that plain as the nose on their face?, supporting either one of these parties is nothing more than a choice of which flavor of bullcrap smells the least offensive.

Neither party has demonstrated the ability to traverse change, they have both FAILED repeatedly.. yet they have all the $$ and have purchased loyalty along the way ensuring one of the 2 will carry on the traditions of failure we're all used to.

Pointing out El Prez is a liar, his administration is retarded, they've screwed up, yadda yadda is only a job description for whichever party hack happens to soil the office. When Bush is gone, the next hack will take over and be just as incompetent. ..

Hopefully I'll be living in Amsterdam by then... when the Puente Hills fault goes off @ 7.0+ down the asscrack of Los Angeles and the govt grinds to a halt for 5 days, the rioting and chaos seen New Orlenes will look like camp snoopy.
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« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2006, 03:48:34 PM »
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« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2006, 04:03:44 PM »
i think this pond is fished out.
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« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2006, 05:38:45 PM »
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Poorly composed and spelled ad hominem diatribe which completely avoids addressing the subject at hand.
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« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2006, 05:43:16 PM »
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YOU GUYS NEED TO THANK GOERGE BUSH FOR SAVING YOU.  SADDAM *INSANE* HAD MIG25S BURIED IN THE DESSERT THAT WERE JUST WAITING TO ATTACK AMERICA AGAIN.  PLUS HE HAD SOME MORTOR SHELLS THAT HE WAS GOING TO LOB AT US TOO.  SO I FOR ONE AM THANKFUL THAT WE HAVE SOUCH A INTELIGENT PRESIDENT AND I DONT" CARE WHAT THEM LIBRULES SAY, CAUSE BUSH DOESNT ANSWER TO THEM, GOD TELLS HIM DIRECTLY WHAT TO DO.  BESIDES FUNKED, WHY YOU SO HATEFUL???  WE ARE WINNING THE WAR IN IRAQ, DEFENCE SECRETERRY RUMSFIELD SAYS THE INSURGENCY IS IN ITS LAST THROWS.  OUR TROOPS WILL BE HOME BY CHRISTMAS!!!!!!


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« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2006, 05:45:50 PM »
I gather funked isn't going to bother pointing out the lies and inaccuracies of the "timeline" if it doesnt serve his agenda.
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« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2006, 05:47:12 PM »
I didn't realize we had so many military historians and tacticians here.  Whew, I'm glad we do, now I have someone to talk to.


Heres my real opinion on the subject.  I'm in favor of fighting a counter-insurgency war against Al Qeada.  I also realize that it is extremely costly in terms of all kinds of resources to wage this type of war.  

First, the U.S. needs to win the support of the local population.  They do this by providing them with safety and supplies.  Safety being the key.

Secondly, one can never have enough translators.  The locals are the ones who are able to report enemy combatant movements, booby-trap locations, caches, etc.  You have to be able to communicate to find this out.  But if retribution begins to be displayed on these locals for helping Americans, intel soon dries up.

So, to sum it up, you have to win the 'hearts and minds' of the indigenous population, show them that their new way of life is better, and keep them safe.  And if all these things come to pass, they will help you.  But if you make them angry, hurt them or do not protect them, you will fail.  

The U.S. has done ok so far in Afghanistan, but nowhere else.
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