Ice bubbles reveal biggest rise in CO2 for 800,000 years

[Angus]

"What exactly happens if the atmosphere, climate and environment are tampered with in some unnatural way?"

Apparently, our impact seems to be a bit off track for the last 800.000 years, so I's say that it qualifies for "unnatural" tampering.

Then please inform me about sudden volcanic activity underseas which is swiftly melting the polar caps. It's news to me, and I live near volcanoes (2 of them locked and loaded for action which I can look at through the kitchen window).
Bring proof please.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Angus
"What exactly happens if the atmosphere, climate and environment are tampered with in some unnatural way?"

Apparently, our impact seems to be a bit off track for the last 800.000 years, so I's say that it qualifies for "unnatural" tampering.
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There is one thing for certain, the human population is not going to commit suicided.
You answered a question with a question. Why? Because there is no true answer to the question. Just as there is no answer to the questions of..."Does global warming exist?" and "If so, what is the solution?" Theories and specualtion without anything to back them up to the point of believable or provable.

 

Then please inform me about sudden volcanic activity underseas which is swiftly melting the polar caps. It's news to me, and I live near volcanoes (2 of them locked and loaded for action which I can look at through the kitchen window).

Well you can read what has allready been posted. Scroll up. Or....you can do a little reading and investigating on what others are saying..if you can get past the ice is melting because...................... ........
Proof??? There is no proof. It`s ALL specualtion, just as is global warming. Some going off the deep end yelling the sky is falling, the sky is falling, but then being unable to show where it is actualy falling, if it is falling or why.
News to you? Hmmmmm...so you have just looked at one side of the coin and refuse to even consider anything past that?
Seems you haven`t looked into this at all past."The ice is melting". That is not even remotely considered unnatural for the earth. Some even go so far as to say that is BS and claim the ice may be receeding, but on the other hand is thickening. Some claim the ice is advancing. NONE have anything positive or agreed upon. Unfounded theories, specualtion and posturing for cash. "Come On Down! You Are The Next Contestant On The Price Is Right!"



BTW......volcanic activity doesn`t always mean some spectacularr or visible eruption from known volcanic cone. It can include undersea vents, cracks, etc.  It laso doesn`t mean it is a one time, thing. It can be continualy happening over a long period of time.

[Angus]

Jackal, you're hanging on a straw in deep water here:
"There is one thing for certain, the human population is not going to commit suicided.
You answered a question with a question. Why? Because there is no true answer to the question. Just as there is no answer to the questions of..."Does global warming exist?" and "If so, what is the solution?" Theories and specualtion without anything to back them up to the point of believable or provable."

1: It's happened before on the "civilization" scale.
1b. This particular kind is not like shooting you in the head, so it's a result of an action.
1c. You yourself have said that fighting emissions was futile because mankind wouldnt do anything about it.

2. So, back to whether global warming exists. Even you have mentioned that it does, but clinging on it as a part of nature.
2b I guess you are referring to whether it exists with the human finger in it, and of course that question is about as accurate as my shooting of lazs above....
2c you want to see the solution of a problem that you have difficulties in comprehending. The solution is not one little thing, but many, and has to do with most aspects of human life and notably consumption.

Then to the mysterious volcanoes. why didn't you just say it was aliens?

And for the ice, - do I have to post that sat picture again!!!!!! And where is the ocean salt going to at the suspiciously same time?

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Angus
Jackal, you're hanging on a straw in deep water here:
"There is one thing for certain, the human population is not going to commit suicided.
You answered a question with a question. Why? Because there is no true answer to the question. Just as there is no answer to the questions of..."Does global warming exist?" and "If so, what is the solution?" Theories and specualtion without anything to back them up to the point of believable or provable."

1: It's happened before on the "civilization" scale.
1b. This particular kind is not like shooting you in the head, so it's a result of an action.
1c. You yourself have said that fighting emissions was futile because mankind wouldnt do anything about it.

2. So, back to whether global warming exists. Even you have mentioned that it does, but clinging on it as a part of nature.
2b I guess you are referring to whether it exists with the human finger in it, and of course that question is about as accurate as my shooting of lazs above....
2c you want to see the solution of a problem that you have difficulties in comprehending. The solution is not one little thing, but many, and has to do with most aspects of human life and notably consumption.

Then to the mysterious volcanoes. why didn't you just say it was aliens?

And for the ice, - do I have to post that sat picture again!!!!!! And where is the ocean salt going to at the suspiciously same time?

I`m hanging on a straw??????????????  I don`t think you get it Angus. I`m not hanging on anything. Why? Because nothing has been shown so far to even suggest that anyone has anything postive or agreed upon, proven, feasable , etc.
If anyone is hanging on to something it would be you. The ice is melting! That is all you have said so far and you can`t back that up. You refuse to look at any point past the one you have sewt yourself upon to be fact. There is no fact. None. All specualtion and dreaming in a sci-fi way up to now.
You find volcanic activity totaly unconsiderable? Why? You know nothing of undersea volvanic activity regarding this subject. Not much has been studied regarding this period. Why do you find it so easy to accept ONE group`s theories without even considering there are others?
You`re hanging....I`m not.....on anything.
Angus if you feel the need to post sat pics, charts.....or any other unsupported babble.........feel free to do so if it makes you feel any better. I can post some pics of Godzilla and his mass destruction of the earth and it`s population if you wish. I can`t explain why he is doing it. I can`t explain how he is going to be stopped. I can`t prove he is doing it even.  But.............it would be just as feasable and provable as anything so far on global warming.
If you feel the pic/chart craving overcoming you, please include depth/thickness and prove them to be so. Also please prove why ice melting/advancing now is anything other than what has been known in the past history of the earth.
To sum it up. You can`t prove anything and neither can anyone else at this point. It is totaly unagreed upon. There are many more theories that one could get wrapped up in when it comes to global destruction and the downfall of the human population. Most would be much more impressive and relevant to todays events around the world.
Absolutely noone can predict what will happen in the future concerning climate because noone can factor in the unpreictable forces of mother nature.

You want global warming??? Go to the game forum. I think you will find that what is happening there will cause immediate warming.

[Angus]

Your post hardly deserves an answer but for others reading, it does yet.
Just this one is enough:
"The ice is melting! That is all you have said so far and you can`t back that up."

I have backed that up, it is established and it is countered by yourself with mysterious underwater volcanoes causing it.

FYI the Greenland glacier is sitting on a particularly quiet area, and the activity around there is even less than in your brain

[ReyPirin]

Originally posted by Xjazz
The future looks so bright and shine for our kids...

Yeah but I think it has more to do with a Thermonuclear blast, or a Comet striking the Earth's surface or the rising tides glistening and drowning them as global warming causes the seas to rise.

[lukster]

Originally posted by Angus
Then to the mysterious volcanoes. why didn't you just say it was aliens?
 

Nothing mysterious about underwater volcanoes, most of them are.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_volcanoes

[Angus]

So the theories gathered by some elite crew of geniouses are:
1: The climate isn't neseccarily getting warmer. (Well it's been measuring up lately but it has happened before)
2: The ice melting (wooot? Ice melting,naaa) doesn't prove it.
3: Ok, it's melting, but it's them new hidden underwater volcanoes.

Ahhh, I understand. I can actually see one former underwater volcanoe through my livingroom window. So they must be popping up quietly all of a sudden - uhh, like she did.

Not joking, can see this baby through the window, so who is being bluffed with the new volcanic conspiracy theory? Maybe time to try to float on another straw?

Here she is.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Angus
Your post hardly deserves an answer but for others reading, it does yet.
Just this one is enough:
"The ice is melting! That is all you have said so far and you can`t back that up."

I have backed that up, it is established and it is countered by yourself with mysterious underwater volcanoes causing it.
 

LMAO Get over the ice is melting deal will ya Angus. Sheesh. We got that.
Ice has a tendency to melt. Water has a tendency to freeze and make ice. The ice melting in your area is not the issue. You thought perhaps there would never be any more ice melting/forming for the entire history of earth from a certain point? It is not the issue.

FYI the Greenland glacier is sitting on a particularly quiet area, and the activity around there is even less than in your brain

Psssst Angus. The volcanic activity does not have to be in your back yard for it to have an effect..........in any area.
I believe if you wish to speak of brain activity, you might want to check your own. You just can`t get past "the ice is melting". Read a little. Check out some of the other opinions and theories. What`s it gonna hurt. I mean, after all, at this point , it`s all theroy, specualtion with a dash of "The Sky Is Falling" thrown in for good measure.
Man........you have latched onto this like a bulldog on a soup bone and can`t seem to see that someone has set you a whole case of Alpo out.

You ever manage to get past this I have a whole list of doomsday theories I can throw your way. that way you can continue to have something to wring your hands about when this plays out. The big one can`t be predicted though. That`s the one to watch out for. The one that noone can possibly predict, because it is unpredictable. Totaly. Mother Nature.

[lazs2]

angus... I am saying that we are having no effect that is worth doing anything about.   prove me wrong.  I am saying that there is nothing we can do to make any difference that is worthwhile in the natural heating and cooling of the planet.... prove me wrong.

lazs

[Angus]

Originally posted by lazs2
angus... I am saying that we are having no effect that is worth doing anything about.   prove me wrong.  I am saying that there is nothing we can do to make any difference that is worthwhile in the natural heating and cooling of the planet.... prove me wrong.

lazs

I am saying that the globe is at least partially warming because of human impact, which consists of many factors. OK.
To name the big baddies, is that emissions are increasing while the globe's ability to tie co2 (forests) is decreasing.
So, in short, it's not just the car's in the USA and the fat amreeegans. My money is on Brazil as the biggest baddie, - but the fault is more mutual.
We're lending our cheap lifestyle from mother nature, and that is bloody well counterable, - if there is a will and understanding for it.
Regarding forests, there is only one continent that is advancing. All the others are on the pillage side, from modest to horrendous. So the coffee can be a cent cheaper etc etc.

And Jackal:
"LMAO Get over the ice is melting deal will ya Angus. Sheesh. We got that.
Ice has a tendency to melt. Water has a tendency to freeze and make ice. The ice melting in your area is not the issue. You thought perhaps there would never be any more ice melting/forming for the entire history of earth from a certain point? It is not the issue."

The ice melting faster than it builds up is a solid proof of heating. So get over it yerself. And please find those sudden underwater volcanoes that popped up for the last 100 years will you.

BTW, do you belive in the possibility of terraforming, - such as what is being speculated about regarding mars?

[Jackal1]

The ice melting faster than it builds up is a solid proof of heating. So get over it yerself.
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ROFLMAO
You just can`t get past it, can ya?

According to some of the community , your statement is false.
But, once again, that is not the issue. Ice melts. It has been known to do so since recorded history. Weather patterns shift/change. They have been known to do so since recorded history.
You just can`t get past your back door.

And please find those sudden underwater volcanoes that popped up for the last 100 years will you.

I don`t beleive it was mentioned that they popped up over the past 100 years.
At any rate.........I`ll leave the killer asteroid, ghost busting, sun exploding, alien attack finding, global whining, attack of the killer tomato findings up to you. I wouldn`t want to spoil your hobby.

BTW, do you belive in the possibility of terraforming, - such as what is being speculated about regarding mars?

Do you beleive it was a sign when you spelled out Abe Lincoln with your alphabet cereal. Get a grip Angus. We are going to need you for the defense of our world when the gray ones come.

Angus you have gotten so locked up and so far out in left field you are beyond the fence. You could sit up a taco stand from your position.

[Angus]

Who is using your family brain cell at the moment?
It's not just that the ice is melting, it's melting faster than it builds up. One way to measure is what NASA has been doing since 1979 from sattelite. Another way to measure is the salt amount in the watermass and the freshwater buffer in the summertime.
Get over it, when the icecube has melted into your whisky, the alcohol in the liquid (promill) is less.
As for the rest of your text, it's just stuff from the nearest bog.

[lukster]

Fact is our climate has undergone radical and rapid changes in the past many, many times. Undersea volcanic activity is difficult to observe and/or monitor. It's quite possible that they are responsible for the recurring ice ages and we may be seeing the onset of one now.

[Nashwan]

Burning fossil fuels released about 27 billion tons of CO2 into the atmosphere last year. Best estimates are volcanos release about 250 million tons a year.

Whatever else is happening, man is taking carbon that was removed from the atmosphere millions of years ago and releasing it on a massive scale in a very short time period.