Ice bubbles reveal biggest rise in CO2 for 800,000 years

[Holden McGroin]

sourceThe vast ice cap that covers Greenland nearly three miles thick is melting faster than ever before on record, and the pace is speeding year by year, according to global climate watchers gathering data from twin satellites that probe the effects of warming on the huge northern island.  

So it's either melting at an alarmingly fast rate, or thickening...

That is why I am a skeptic on scientific "consensus"

All the western US weather phenomenon in the 80's was "El Nino"

The droughts were el nino.... the mudslides were el nino.... the big snows here were el nino... the sji season there sucked because of el nino...

You couldn't get through the TV weather report without an el nino story.

Now it's man caused global warming...

Read the story about Greenland thickening, and it's due to Global Warming.  Read the one about melting, and it's due to global warming.  

Both stories are about scientific studies, both assume the driver is global warming, but one says it's growing and one says its shrinking.  

There is warming, and probably anthropormorphic warming,  but there is a lot more variability in the system, more local phenomenon, more unknowns than those in the general media report.

[lukster]

Like any other religion I believe everyone should be free to believe and practice what they want. Just don't try to force your beliefs on me.

[Mini D]

Curling was invented in Ireland 400 years ago.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by lukster
Like any other religion I believe everyone should be free to believe and practice what they want. Just don't try to force your beliefs on me.

Well I don`t look at it as a religion, but I agree with you there.
What I have been asking for here, without much success I might add is that folks not be duped into believing something is a given when in fact it is far from it.
I know I have taken a close look at it from all sides. What I have found is that there is much more info to the contrary of what these global warming for lunch bunch is ,and have been stating from the beginning, than meets the eye.
The number one thing you always hear is it is a majority of studies and scientists that agrees on the global warming theory. When you start looking at the other side of the coin, this is far from the truth. Then you find that they make statements as facts claiming to be supported with data and studies. When you look into it you find that this is just a flat out, bald face lie. Then you hear that warming has been caused by earth`s human population and this is stated as proven fact. Actualy there is absolutely nothing to support this. On the contrary records and historical data shows this as the most unlikely suspect.
The real attention grabber though is when you start looking into the interests and real goals of those pushing Kyoto and it becomes overwhelmingly convincing that people have ben terribly mislead and disinformed by them and so called Enviro groups who have other interests.
This is , in my opinion, one of the most misrepresented issues to come down the pike in quite a while.
There are skeletons in these closets............both sides. Just take the time to look into it before seting your teeth into it is what I`m asking.

[lukster]

I think there's plenty of evidence to indicate people have a need to believe in something greater than themselves. Those that reject traditional religion in favor of science typically think their reasoning superior to the religious from what I've observed. I think this blinds them to their own need and the manner in which they attempt to fulfill it.

Some of these who are ignorant of their need are so sure that they are right have no qualms about pressing their beliefs, or facts in their eyes, on others. These very same scoff at the religious who are guilty of the same.

[Silat]

Originally posted by Jackal1
An ER doctor would probably find you a little strange if you asked for your kid to be treated for a burn......................and there was no burn.

There is a burn. And there is global warming.

[Silat]

Originally posted by lukster
Hate to burst your bubble but it isn't just the "far right" not interested in jumping on the reactionary band wagon.

The reactionaries on this issue are those who are in denial. They are the 1% of scientists, experts, oil company shills and GOP sheep.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060921/ap_on_re_us/clinton_global_initiative;_ylt=AkpiodksNMstDjZPns42PSyyFz4D;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--

[lukster]

Originally posted by Silat
The reactionaries on this issue are those who are in denial. They are the 1% of scientists, experts, oil company shills and GOP sheep.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060921/ap_on_re_us/clinton_global_initiative;_ylt=AkpiodksNMstDjZPns42PSyyFz4D;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--

I know that's what you and others would like to believe but that doesn't make it so.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Silat
There is a burn.  

Those are just carpet burns...and yes the lady is my wife.

And there is global warming.

Only when you stand too close to the potbelly stove nekkid.

[Angus]

Well, if you can't see the stove, I guess you'll be fine and safe for burns

[lazs2]

silat... I liken it more to...

All these doctors notice that you have a huge nasty flu bug....  they also notice that you have an infected redwood splinter in your hand...

They assume that the redwood splinter is the cause of the virus and suggest all kinds of drastic remidies that will change your lifestyle based on ridding your body of the splinter.

In the mean time... your body fights off the flu like it has every other time you had the flu...

They get rich off you and the people selling "cures" get rich and they can all take credit for curring your flu when nature takes over.

lazs

[ByeBye]

Originally posted by xrtoronto
The rapid rise in greenhouse gases over the past century is unprecedented in at least 800,000 years, according to a study of the oldest Antarctic ice core which highlights the reality of climate change.

Air bubbles trapped in ice for hundreds of thousands of years have revealed that humans are changing the composition of the atmosphere in a manner that has no known natural parallel.

Scientists at the British Antarctic Survey (BAS) in Cambridge have found there have been eight cycles of atmospheric change in the past 800,000 years when carbon dioxide and methane have risen to peak levels.

Each time, the world also experienced the relatively high temperatures associated with warm, inter-glacial periods, which were almost certainly linked with levels of carbon dioxide and possibly methane in the atmosphere.

However, existing levels of carbon dioxide and methane are far higher than anything seen during these earlier warm periods, said Eric Wolff of the BAS.

"Ice cores reveal the Earth's natural climate rhythm over the last 800,000 years. When carbon dioxide changed there was always an accompanying climate change," Dr Wolff said. "Over the past 200 years, human activity has increased carbon dioxide to well outside the natural range and we have no analogue for what will happen next.

"We have a no-analogue situation. We don't have anything in the past that we can measure directly," he added.

The ice core was drilled from a thick area of ice on Antarctica known as Dome C. The core is nearly 3.2km long and reaches to a depth where air bubbles became trapped in ice that formed 800,000 years ago.

"It's from those air bubbles that we know for sure that carbon dioxide has increased by about 35 per cent in the past 200 years. Before that 200 years, which is when man's been influencing the atmosphere, it was pretty steady to within 5 per cent," Dr Wolff said.

The core shows that carbon dioxide was always between 180 parts per million (ppm) and 300 ppm during the 800,000 years. However, now it is 380 ppm. Methane was never higher than 750 parts per billion (ppb) in this timescale, but now it stands at 1,780 ppb.

But the rate of change is even more dramatic, with increases in carbon dioxide never exceeding 30 ppm in 1,000 years -- and yet now carbon dioxide has risen by 30 ppm in the last 17 years.

"The rate of change is probably the most scary thing because it means that the Earth systems can't cope with it," Dr Wolff told the British Association meeting at the University of East Anglia in Norwich.

"On such a crowded planet, we have little capacity to adapt to changes that are much faster than anything in human experience."

c&p


"crikey"

An example of a cut and paste drive by.

[Billy Joe Bob]

how the world really ends

[Arlo]

Originally posted by Silat
The reactionaries on this issue are those who are in denial. They are the 1% of scientists, experts, oil company shills and GOP sheep.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060921/ap_on_re_us/clinton_global_initiative;_ylt=AkpiodksNMstDjZPns42PSyyFz4D;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--

Neh. They all know that de nile is a river in Egypt and that the next generation can fend for itself no matter what we leave them stuck with.

[lukster]

Global warming alarmism bears many traits of a religion.

1. Faith among believers that doom approaches unless there is repentance and mending of ways.

2.  Evangelistic believers fervent in their attemps to convert nonbelievers.

3. Devout in their beliefs while attempting to silence those opposed and suppress conflicting evidence

Just sayin'