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Offline Jackal1

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« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2006, 09:59:49 AM »
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1.  Guides carry double-barrel shotguns to protect their African safari hunters.
 
DOUBTFUL.  I think the double-barrels are usually high-powered elephant guns or other large caliber rifles, and often so the hunter won't have to carry the heavy weapon until time to fire it.  
 


:D In many of Capstick`s books you will find that he carries a shotgun when going into the brush for leopard. He also has a fencing collar that has been reinforced with metal if the leopard beomes wounded.
Great reading BTW.
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« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2006, 10:26:10 AM »
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That if you fire a up in the air the bullets will be falling at a terminal velocity fast enough to kill somebody when they return.


Mythbusters did that one too. There's evidence to show that it actually has happened before. However, all bullets shot as close to 90 degrees as possible landed sideways. Bullets fired at an angle that could maintain a ballistic trajectory were potentially lethal. The odds against it are pretty astronomical, but it has happened.
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« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2006, 12:10:45 PM »
Bullets fired in the air follow a ballistic trajectory when fired an an angle either more or less than 90 degrees from the surface of the earth. That ballistic trajectory keeps the bullet still stabilized just like an artillery round and well over "terminal velocity" for a straight up and down shot. Most of the idiots firing a gun in celebration have no clue that they round they fired at 75 degrees is going to come down capable of hurting someone.

The idea that you don't have to aim a shortgun is pure BS as well. A shot pattern from a shotgun open bored choke expands at the rate of about an inch per yard traveled. We checked that one on the range with riot guns and it holds pretty well.

If you didn't have to aim a shotgun there would be a heck of a lot of hunters who would do far better hunting birds with them. I've seen lots of misses, far too many of them mine as well.

The Kansas TAS guys and I proved that one many many times in shooting at clay pigeons at the range!
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« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2006, 12:19:27 PM »
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Reynolds,

The powder has enough fuel and oxygen in dry form that it doesn't need any external gaseous oxygen.  That's why solid fuel rockets still burn in space :)


Ummm.... NO? Solid rockets have two components, the solid rocket fuel, and liquid oxygen. They mix inside of the frame, but either way, they need to bring their own oxygen up with them.
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« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2006, 12:34:50 PM »
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Ummm.... NO? Solid rockets have two components, the solid rocket fuel, and liquid oxygen. They mix inside of the frame, but either way, they need to bring their own oxygen up with them.


Do some research.  Half the reason for using solid fuels is that you don't need to worry about storing liquid oxygen.
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« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2006, 12:43:54 PM »
Reynolds, Tarmac is right.
Hehem if he wasn't, it would mean that firepower of guns would actually decrease with altitude.
(Which it doesn't, - on the contrary the air resistance is less)

You don't need much research, just a little thought. When you fire a gun, where to you have the air into the cartridge to power the shot????
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« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2006, 12:50:17 PM »
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Ummm.... NO? Solid rockets have two components, the solid rocket fuel, and liquid oxygen. They mix inside of the frame, but either way, they need to bring their own oxygen up with them.


That's a hybrid rocket. Solid fuel lining a combustion chamber, in which you inject either more solid fuel or a liquid fuel. The oxidizer does not have to be liquid either. Think about simple gunpowder. It's just a mixture of charcoal (fuel), sulfur (catalyst), & potassium nitrate (oxidizer).
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« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2006, 01:24:57 PM »
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The NRA says AK47s and other assault rifles should be legal because I might need one to hunt deer.



I'm a life member of the NRA and I dont believe I have ever seen that in print from them.

I have seen them say they should be legal for self defense, collecting and target shooting.

I have seen them say that once we start banning various types of firearms that we would be on a *slippery slope*.
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« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2006, 01:33:29 PM »
I think they should be allowed because it is our constitutional right to keep them.  That's enough.
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« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2006, 01:42:24 PM »
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I think they should be allowed because it is our constitutional right to keep them.  That's enough.


Thats exactly what the NRA is about. Doesn't matter if you are a hunter, collector, just go *plinking* on weekends or a serious competition shooter, the NRA fights for your right to own firearms.
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« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2006, 01:59:21 PM »
Larger calibers are "better". They never look at the practicality of the weapon. I learned that the 1st time I fired a SW 9mm parabellum with a 3 and 1/2 inch barrel. Talk about a bucking bronco. There is a reason small autos fire 9 shorts and 380.

Same with rifles, "ohh but its a caliber XXX" as if thats the only issue to consider. I will never forget the 1st time I fired the .303 Enfield carbine, Yikes.

Thats been my own experience. Im sure there are many.

Btw "Elephant guns" are rifles, not shotguns. Im sure you could get by with a 12 guage slug, but the range is kinda short. Im not sure I would want to wait for the thing to get that close before I popped it.
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« Reply #26 on: September 05, 2006, 02:09:52 PM »
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Same with rifles, "ohh but its a caliber XXX" as if thats the only issue to consider. I will never forget the 1st time I fired the .303 Enfield carbine, Yikes.


I put about 100 rounds through mine last weekend and found it softer on the shoulder than the much heavier M39 or K98k. Not as light as the No.1 mk4 or SMLE though. I did replace the old dried up "hardened" buttpad with a new repo unit though that probably provided a lot more recoil absorption. I also used my seperate *****pad, but I use that on all when I'm going to be shooting a hundred rounds or so.

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« Reply #27 on: September 05, 2006, 02:12:04 PM »
Hunters need ak-47 type rifles for todays modern super animals, like the electric eel, or the flying squirrel.
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« Reply #28 on: September 05, 2006, 02:14:02 PM »
AKA animals of mass destruction.

Anyhow, it doesn't matter whether it's for hunting or not.  The bill of rights establishes what our rights are, and the ownership of guns is clearly spelled out.  To assert that it's a collective right instead of an individual right (the main argument of most anti-gun types) is strange because that makes it the ONLY one of the bill of rights that is not individual.
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« Reply #29 on: September 05, 2006, 02:21:26 PM »
Here is my favorite.

There was a problem with the .45ACP round, and the .45 GAP was the fix.
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