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Offline Nash

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« on: November 11, 2000, 05:56:00 AM »
I've found myself on many occasions lately to be at a loss with regard to some of the information posted here.

There's been a great deal made of the 'maintream media'... So...

I'm wondering where you all are getting your information from.

I'll start.

AP
Washington Post
Salon
Drudge
NY Times
CNN
NBC, ABC, CBS etc.

I'm not holding these sources out there like that's any sort of... I dunno. Its just that I'm simply not aware of any other reliable places to get info from.

So my question is this. Understanding that many of you hold in contempt the mainstream media - where are YOU getting your news from?

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« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2000, 06:50:00 AM »
We get our information where you get yours. Just like the books we read, the churches we go to, the movies, etc.

The trick is to apply your mind to the information you receive. If (and I am not saying you personally do) have the image that all Americans sit slack-jawed in front of the television, you are wrong. Some of us actually apply a lifetime of experiences, thoughts, teachings, and family values to what we see coming into our living rooms.

I usually know a liar when I see one. "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lowenski, and it's time I got back to the work of the American people." I sat there in the convention center of Indianapolis watching that bit of history on the big screen and said to myself "that man is lying".

Someone posted a litany of Bush quotes- fair enough. Post along side it all the things Gore has taken responsibility for. You see, this is the thing that bothers me- we have people that lie right to our faces (Gore/Clinton/Hillary) in blatant fashion, daring the media to search it out (and they inevitably do).

The media's part is not to tell us what to think (though they do try to manipulate that to a degree) but to give us information. Undoubtedly they can control to a great extent what we see and hear, but they cannot force us to think anything unless we let them.

It is useful to use all of the sources you listed. They are all useful in that they are in competition to break a story, any story, so little is going to be left uncovered. Yes, some of it is tripe. Still, it is up to the consumer to understand that, not the news service.

The contempt many hold for the media is the obvious bias shown by many of its top names. Media should provide information without giving an opinion. That is changing in America, with "journalists" like Geraldo Rivera becoming more popular. The media itself is important, but we could do without the names inserting their own agendas.

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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2000, 07:31:00 AM »
Kieren, I didn't mean this post as any kind of bait, or anything of the sort. *Obviously* one has to be discerning about anything put in front of them. Absolutely. I was asking this seriously.

There have been a lot of statements, numbers etc. that have been wildly different from what I have been able to find. I was sincerely wondering what other sources of information existed that I was unaware of.

When I hear phrases like "mainstream media", I'm left with the impression that there must be an alternative media. I'm not aware of these sources, and I *sincerely* would like to take a look at them.

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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2000, 08:58:00 AM »
Well Nash, while I watch and read most of what you listed here are some other sources:

Amercian Rifleman - published by the NRA, too bad for you though though, I think you Canadian's are not allowed to read that or become a member. I am a member of course, the reporting on our elected officials is probably biased but at least they are clear on the candidates voting records. As a bonus, the focus on gun rights and crime gives me a real clear view on who is doing what for what reasons.

CBN - christain braodcasting network, again biased, but they do report news that the mainstream media "forgets".

NPR - national public radio, Diane Reeme (sp), and Juan Williams are obvious liberals but the shows are informative/relevant if you weed out the bias of the hosts.

PBS - Public Broadcasting Service, many of the news shows have liberal hosts, but they do actually try to show both sides of an arguement most of the time.

So by the time I read, watch, and listen to the above, and what you listed (AP,Networks etc) I get a pretty clear idea of who is pushing what agenda.

A prime example is the brady bill. I assume you know that over 400,000 felons have been "prevented" from buying guns because of this bill. What I wonder is if you know how many of those felons, who just committed another felony, were or have been prosecuted...less than 1%. So what we see here is that the brady bill's real purpose was to prevent ownership, but had little to do with crimminal behavior or crime. Otherwise we would have about 400,000 additional prisoners, the media would be spouting off about it in hopes of deterring other felons from even trying to buy guns. Now we are after the gun shows, well if those 400,000 felons had been chased and prosecuted with the same zeal as Dead-beat Dad's, there wouldn't be such a problem at gun shows. That example shows very clearly what the real agenda is, more gun restrictions for non-crimminal citizens which amount to infringement of my right to keep and bear arms.

Plus we have the whole other issue now, did any of the felons who were blocked by the brady bill acquire a gun at a gun show and then commit a violent crime with it? If so, using liberal logic, those who failed to prosecute the felony attempt at a purchase are responsible for any crimes committed thereafter. In my view of course, the crimminal is still responsible for his behavior and needs to be held responsible. On the same note, prosecuters should be prosecuted for failure to prosecute laws that were broken, and that goes for all of them, not just the ones who failed to prosecute and had a felon buy at a gun show and commit a crime. We see more and more "selective" enforcement and prosecution these days, meanwhile the mainstream media keeps events like school shootings in the spotlight. Something is wrong with that.

Someone made the point that the media is trying to make a profit. So that makes me wonder if the media has any interest at all in helping to reduce crime. After all would we watch "good news", hehe crime is what the media makes it's money on too, the more to report the better for their bottom line.

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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2000, 10:54:00 AM »
hehe nash use this as a source.
 http://www.algore-2000.org/

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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2000, 02:45:00 PM »
Hehe thanks Dnil  

Wrench - appreciate your reply. Yah, I don't *think* we get American Rifleman up here...not sure. I do know that Heston was up here a while back speaking to a group of people.... but I don't know if that was to the Canadian version of the NRA or what. I also don't have access to CBN nor NPR. We *do* get PBS, and I think News Hour is an excellent program... though I was a little miffed as I watched Lehrer pitch softballs to the canditetes who proceeded to knock them out of the park  

Anyways - cool.

What else guys?




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« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2000, 03:01:00 PM »
Nash, NPR's Morning Edition can be listened to any time of the day on RealPlayer, NPR is also one of the standard channels it has too I believe (but had to go in and add the Morning Edition channel).  It's a fairly good program, I'd put it as the radio equivalent of the Christian Science Monitor.

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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2000, 10:20:00 PM »
 In the early 70,s I saw a film of Walter cronkite reporting the 68 Tet offensive to the American People. This was the most biased, and editorialized, collection of talking head roadkill, I had ever seen.

 Since that day I have never taken anything said by the media at face value. If a story interest me. I will research it in the print media. Both liberal, and conservative papers. Invariably the news is covered in much greater detail.

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« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2000, 12:12:00 AM »
 http://www.newsmax.com
 http://www.dailyrepublican.com/
 http://www.creators.com/opinion/

Conservative talk radio

Foxnews

CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NBC, CSPAN, MSN, PBS, Yahoo, Newsgroups (various ones depending on topic)

Various Radio Stations news and info including NPR - Public Radio

Sunday morning shows, i.e. Meet the Press, etc...

Newspapers - Tampa Tribune mainly, but others

Acquaintances - you guys too

not in any order........


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