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Offline Halo

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« on: September 07, 2006, 08:27:28 PM »
I don't fly that often anymore, but when I do, I expect my joystick to be a reliable link to Aces High.  If there is one thing that cannot be tolerated, it is betrayal by that vital transmitter of piloting intentions.  

Having used several joysticks over the years, I've always preferred the least complicated but reasonably capable twisty, the most recent since January 2004 being a Logitech Extreme 3D Pro.  

Its ergonomics were the most comfortable ever.  Felt just right.  But there was one teeny problem ... it rarely finished a session without incessant tweaking.  From the beginning its rudder was the weakest feature ... never wanting to give full range on the right rudder.  In spite of frequent checking and fine tuning in Windows and Aces High control settings, the stick often did not do what was expected of it.

Finally the sensitivity and general control ranges remained elusive  ...  no matter how often and how carefully they were adjusted, controls froze at crucial points with the inevitable pranging in and easy scores for unwitting opponents who just happened to be flying in the general area.

Ultimately I pondered the full qualifications of the joystick, reviewed its history of deception and unreliability, and judged it unfit for further human consumption.  With dignity and maturity, I carefully unplugged the miscreant, calmly placed it on the floor, and stomped it into oblivion.

Who, me, childish?  Mayhap.  But wow, did that feel good!  Finally I felt at one with the joystick, even if it was through my foot.  

For years other wiser Aces Highers have maligned such joysticks and for years I had naively defended them, probably because I haven't been flying enough to fully realize their insidious character defects.

In their defense, computer game controllers possibly have more user generated stress than any other mechanical devices known to humans.  It's amazing any equipment can take the torque and pressure generated by sweaty hands in mortal cyber combat.  

Many joysticks of whatever brands have short lives, and many models come and go.  The truly userproof joystick may not have been invented yet.  

Just for grins I tried flying with a mouse and keyboard like the old days of Air Warrior -- how did we ever do that?

Now, after again reviewing Aces High pilot recommendations, I have a Saitek Evo coming next week.  I am optimistic.  

Admit it -- have you ever disposed of a joystick with terminal force?  In  reading joystick reviews, it was interesting to see in subtle terms how many times even reviewers have done that.  What is more frustrating than a control that isn't controllable?  

Disclaimer: My experience may or may not reflect your experience with this product, and no warranty or condemnation explicitly or implicitly may predict or reflect any experience you may have with it.  This is just one  experience history shared in hope of enhancing the general welfare of Aces High participants.
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Offline RTSigma

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« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2006, 08:38:17 PM »
Halo, I feel your frustration.

I own a Saitek Evo, but its not my cup of tea after using a full CH Setup at home (I'm at college, so the twisty stick is great for the small room). A brand new Evo is smooth and wonderful, just keep it clean so that you don't get any friction, which is what I"m having now.

While I've never purposely destroyed a stick, I have decided with some to start testing their limitations with more force. What I'd do is start yanking and turning harder than ever, until the whole thing just up and snapped.

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« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2006, 08:55:11 PM »
i used to use a saitek ST90 (budget POS). it eventually just stopped working, i guess the chip shorted out. it cost me a great fight and i was really pissed off, so naturally, i went to a cupboard, got out some hefty french bangers, or firecrackers, whatever you call them in the US lol (bangers being the only reasonable way of obtaining gunpowder in the UK without a firearms licence), and i tore em all open, emptying the powder into the join on the stick, which i had forced open. i also managed to find an old shotgun cartridge from clay shooting i guess, so i emptied the gunpowder from that into it as well. took it out into the garden, shoved it on a rock in the garden, splashed a little bit of petrol under the thing and chucked a match onto it.

the petrol burned for a bit, melted the bottom, and within a few seconds the stick blew to smithereens. it doesn't quite have the finesse of your brutal stomping, for which i have tremendous respect, but, the technical approach can often produce some immensely satisfying results when it comes to vengeance on computerised equipment :D

needless to say the explosion was great to watch, although cleaning up the bits of shattered and molten plastic was a drawback. was well worth it though :lol

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« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2006, 08:58:58 PM »
Yeah, I've killed 3 or 4. I have a Saitek Cyborg Evo Force now. It ain't CH level gear, but it ain't $300 either. And since I have not flown since very early July, I can't really justify the CH stuff anyway. Hell, as bad as I fly, I never could justify CH stuff, even at 20 hours a week.
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« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2006, 09:50:10 PM »
I've killed a few.  My current stick is an X-45, and I've recently busted the rudder on the throttle while whipping a Hind or Apache around a tight corner in Gazala.  I had a gunner and managed to keep the ship aloft long enough to tell him to bail, but it still left me witha  broken rudder.  I took it apart, and it's a tiny little piece that I'll drill into to fix it, but...  

It's always just one little tiny piece, right?
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« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2006, 10:13:56 PM »
I killed my Logitech Extreme 3D a few years ago gunning for a squaddy and snap...limp stick:(   Squadmates said give it some viagra but I knew it's days were done.
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« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2006, 10:28:46 PM »
I too am guilty of murder against a Logitec 3d Extreme... And have since vowed that no other logitec device may enter my house (having also had trouble with a USB headset).

I am on a full CH rig (568 combat stick, pro pedals and pro throttle).  Other than buying the Logitec due to low finances I have been a CH only simmer since 1992 when I discovered CH.

My only complaint (and I hear this from others) the pro pedal drags a brake on the right pretty consistantly, it can not be calibrated out.  I don't get it... But it only matters on the ground.

(if anyone knows a solution the CH Pro Pedals dragging brakes, PLEASE POST).
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« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2006, 10:32:41 PM »
Snapped the stick right off my old Logitech Wingman Warrior in '96 playing AW.  Not to be deterred, I nursed my spit back to safety flying with the tiny little nub left at the huge base of that thing.  The Wingman Warrior had like a 10-inch base with the joystick on the right and the throttle lever on the left.  Also on the left was a large red twist knob for games like Mechwarrior 2 (which rocked).  That stick had to have weighed 3 or 4 pounds!

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« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2006, 10:35:20 PM »
i fixed my first stick (microsoft something or other) with a sledge hammer.  i was out $40 but i felt alot better afterwards.    :D

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« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2006, 10:35:40 PM »
I've killed a few. By far, the most frustrating sticks/throttles/pedals were the Thrustmaster stuff. I had the F16 FLCS and the F22 Pro stuff...

All overpriced crap with way way way too much tweaking and cleaning and bother.
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« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2006, 10:41:57 PM »
yep the logitech is comfortable .. but, i gotta recalibrate the rudder every time i log in!

who knows how often the rudder starts flappin' on me after that and i just chalk it up to "too many beers"


but as long as i fly with it, if someone say "you suck" i can just blame the stick lol


i do tend to "hang on the rudder" so when priorities permit( some extra cash) its ch pedals for me and this twisty goes in the closet

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« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2006, 10:58:00 PM »
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Originally posted by FBplmmr

but as long as i fly with it, if someone say "you suck" i can just blame the stick lol


That right there is the problem with CH.. YOU CAN'T BLAME THE STICK!  Every time I die, I know it was a failure on my part.  The stick always does as I tell it.

Although sometimes I make myself feel better by just blaming the squad :noid
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« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2006, 11:13:57 PM »
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Originally posted by Sandman
I've killed a few. By far, the most frustrating sticks/throttles/pedals were the Thrustmaster stuff. I had the F16 FLCS and the F22 Pro stuff...

All overpriced crap with way way way too much tweaking and cleaning and bother.


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« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2006, 11:24:06 PM »
They probably sell aftermarket switches if you want to look into that, Scrap.  If it's like my squaddy, they probably sell em bulk too.
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« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2006, 11:59:09 PM »
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Now, after again reviewing Aces High pilot recommendations, I have a Saitek Evo coming next week.  I am optimistic.


The Evo is a very good joystick. I have both a standard and wireless one sitting in my closet. I would've kept using them hadn't they been replaced by my X52.

If anybody wants the wireless one, just pay shipping.
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