Author Topic: Let's say I break into your house (Read 1047 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #30 on:** September 12, 2006, 02:43:42 PM »

I agree... the republicans are not doing as much as they can... they don't want to be seen as the mean man who is tossing the poor helpless family out of a job....

You can imagine how the socialist media would play all those illegals out of work with no benifets can you not?

The tears! the horror! truth is... it will be rough on these criminals at first... both American and mexican but... it has to be done... the longer we wait the bigger the problem is.

You can't blame mexicans for pouring in.... we say no but we do yes.... we hire em and we give em as many services for free as the most insane ice bear country would do. they are being victimized by our greed and apathy.

They are not to blame so much as the people who lure them here with jobs and free benifiets that they are not entiltled to.

lazs

Elfie · « **Reply #31 on:** September 12, 2006, 03:26:40 PM »

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elfie... you are overcomplicating.. it matters not what the economy there is..

The crappy Mexican economy is at the heart of the illegal immigration issue. With a strong, vibrant economy, and wages that allow Mexicans to provide for their families, the Mexicans have no reason to pack up and move to another country.

Canada has a strong economy, but if Canada had an economy similar to Mexico's.....we would have the same type of illegal immigration along our northern border as we have on our southern border.

You want to treat the symptoms, without taking care of the disease. In this case the symptoms are illegal immigration and employers hiring illegals. The disease is a weak Mexican economy and a porous border.

IF...Mexico had a strong economy.....do you believe Mexicans would still be coming here in droves?

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #32 on:** September 12, 2006, 09:17:17 PM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
The crappy Mexican economy is at the heart of the illegal immigration issue. With a strong, vibrant economy, and wages that allow Mexicans to provide for their families, the Mexicans have no reason to pack up and move to another country.

Canada has a strong economy, but if Canada had an economy similar to Mexico's.....we would have the same type of illegal immigration along our northern border as we have on our southern border.

You want to treat the symptoms, without taking care of the disease. In this case the symptoms are illegal immigration and employers hiring illegals. The disease is a weak Mexican economy and a porous border.

IF...Mexico had a strong economy.....do you believe Mexicans would still be coming here in droves?

Is why I keep saying.
Make Mexico a State.
and let the Donald trump types loose down there to develop it.

Problem solved inside of 10 years

Neubob · « **Reply #33 on:** September 12, 2006, 09:32:56 PM »

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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Is why I keep saying.
Make Mexico a State.
and let the Donald trump types loose down there to develop it.

Problem solved inside of 10 years

Then the illegal immigrants will start pouring in from central and south America.

Elfie · « **Reply #34 on:** September 12, 2006, 09:54:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Neubob
Then the illegal immigrants will start pouring in from central and south America.

The border is alot shorter there, can keep the same number of BP agents that we have now, move them farther south and have alot better coverage on the border.

Elfie · « **Reply #35 on:** September 12, 2006, 09:56:19 PM »

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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Is why I keep saying.
Make Mexico a State.
and let the Donald trump types loose down there to develop it.

Problem solved inside of 10 years

I think the idea has it's good points for sure. However, that idea would never fly in our PC world today. Well, it might fly like a lead balloon.

Elfie · « **Reply #36 on:** September 12, 2006, 10:02:27 PM »

Actually.......

If military force wasn't used to make Mexico the 51st state........instead, diplomacy is used and the Mexican's willingly joined the Union. I think that would fly in our PC world.

Developers would go nuts in Mexico creating all kinds of jobs.

Dred....you're a genius!!

Drediock for President!!

Arlo · « **Reply #37 on:** September 12, 2006, 10:38:15 PM »

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Originally posted by rpm
Smith & Wesson

See your S&W and raise ya a Colonel Colt (*sigh* If I still had mine).

wooley · « **Reply #38 on:** September 13, 2006, 02:20:21 AM »

America is not the only country struggling with the problem of illegal immigrants and 'asylum seakers'. Most Western European countries also face huge influxes.

If its any consolation, they're handling the problem just as badly.

As a legal immigrant to the US, let me tell you the level of beaurocratic incompetance you face trying to get a green card or citizenship makes the illegal route seem mighty tempting sometimes.

Elfie · « **Reply #39 on:** September 13, 2006, 02:36:09 AM »

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As a legal immigrant to the US

Thanks for asking first!

JB88 · « **Reply #40 on:** September 13, 2006, 03:23:53 AM »

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Originally posted by wooley
America is not the only country struggling with the problem of illegal immigrants and 'asylum seakers'. Most Western European countries also face huge influxes.

If its any consolation, they're handling the problem just as badly.

As a legal immigrant to the US, let me tell you the level of beaurocratic incompetance you face trying to get a green card or citizenship makes the illegal route seem mighty tempting sometimes.

no doubt.

so let's create a very simple system of checks and measures for short term visits of no more than two years with a formal request for citizenship required for an extension. perhaps it is required that this be accompanied by the sponsorship of a naturalized american citizen.

this might actually increase the contact between guests and immigrants and remove the standard barriers between divisions within society.

7 years, no serious problems, you get to stay.

if not. come for two years, take your experience home. make it a better place.
crazy?

lazs2 · « **Reply #41 on:** September 13, 2006, 08:54:12 AM »

elfie... are you suggesting that we go to war with mexico and take it away from them?

Are you suggesting that we meddle in their economy and force them to have the same system as canada and the U.S.?

We can't do anything about their economy.... least not overnight... but we can stop the hiring and the benifiets overnight.

Perhaps if they had to stay in mexico they would think about improving their own country?

They have the resources they need only to gather the will.

lazs

Angus · « **Reply #42 on:** September 13, 2006, 09:51:50 AM »

You can't break into my house.

(It's not locked

)

But if you would, and in a threatening manner you're in fer a knuckle sandwich and/or some injuries

Elfie · « **Reply #43 on:** September 13, 2006, 02:09:32 PM »

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elfie... are you suggesting that we go to war with mexico and take it away from them?

Heck no. That's why I said that Dred's idea would never fly in our PC world. I thought he meant military action.

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Are you suggesting that we meddle in their economy and force them to have the same system as canada and the U.S.?

No I'm not suggesting meddling in their economy.

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We can't do anything about their economy.... least not overnight... but we can stop the hiring and the benifiets overnight.

Quite true that we can't fix their economy overnight, and also true we CAN stop the illegal hiring and benefits......and we SHOULD. (We agree on this much)

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Perhaps if they had to stay in mexico they would think about improving their own country?

I suspect the average Mexican has very little resources to do anything about changing their own country.

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They have the resources they need only to gather the will.

Iirc, Mexico has some pretty significant undeveloped resources, including oil. It requires cash to develop those resources and Mexico is a rather poor country.

What we could do, is extend a helping hand to Mexico to assist them in improving their own economy so their citizens wont want to pack up and move here. I'm not saying do things for them. Doing it for them will teach them nothing and not having learned, how would they then maintain what we had built?

Get the economic *experts* together to see what areas of the Mexican economy can be improved quickest and easiest, start there since that will give the fastest return on your efforts, then go from there.

I dont have specific answers on how to fix their economy. I just dont have that kind of knowledge. Fixing/improving their economy should be up to them though. Others can provide help in the form of cash investments and consulting.