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« on: February 22, 2001, 08:47:00 AM »
 http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010221/ts/clinton_pardons_dc_24.html

``Neither Hillary nor I had any knowledge of such payments,'' Clinton said Wednesday in a statement. ``We are deeply disturbed by these reports and insisted that Hugh return any monies involved.''

Yeah, I believe them  

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« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2001, 09:23:00 AM »
We are deeply disturbed by these reports
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Yeah right!  Disturbed that he got busted and made your sorry tulips look like the low class thiefs that you are!

In typical acronymic behavior: GTH <FINGER>

Im done with these two.

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« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2001, 09:34:00 AM »
 LOL  Its getting almost ridiculous. I heard that Roger Clinton, recently pardoned by his brother, has now been arrested for DUI.
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« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2001, 09:45:00 AM »
This next year is going to be a shock for the US taxpayers...this is mild compared to what will be discovered as to whats gone on for the last 8 years.

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« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2001, 10:06:00 AM »
Why am I not at all surprised?  

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« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2001, 11:34:00 AM »
And even MORE breaking news...getting interesting now isn't it?  

Sen. Clinton Aide Helped in
               Pardons

               By John Solomon
               Associated Press Writer
               Thursday, Feb. 22, 2001; 11:51 a.m. EST

               WASHINGTON –– In addition to her brother's efforts to
               secure clemency for clients, Hillary Rodham Clinton's
               Senate campaign treasurer helped obtain last-minute
               pardons for two convicted felons from former President
               Clinton, lawyers told The Associated Press on
               Thursday.

               The treasurer, New York attorney William Cunningham
               III, is the law partner of longtime Clinton adviser
               Harold Ickes and said Ickes referred the two Arkansas
               men, both Republicans, to him about a week before
               Clinton left office.

               "Harold does not do this kind of work, and we are
               partners so Harold contacted me and asked if I would
               speak with them," Cunningham told AP in an interview.
               "I told them I would be happy to review the paperwork
               and submit the applications."

               Cunningham said his and Ickes' firm was paid just
               $4,000 for the work of preparing and sending the
               applications to the Justice Department. He said neither
               contacted the White House nor discussed the pardons
               with Hillary Clinton or the former president.

               Cunningham said he did not believe his role as Mrs.
               Clinton's treasurer during her Senate campaign in New
               York last year had any effect on the ex-president's
               decision.

               "My connection is really with Senator Clinton, and not
               the president," Cunningham said. "These applications
               really cried out on the merits that these are the folks who
               should be pardoned, and the fact that their request was
               assembled by me really operates independently," he
               said.

               Ickes said he did not talk to either Clinton about the two
               men – Robert Clinton Fain and James Lowell Manning –
               who were convicted in the 1980s on tax charges.

               "He (Cunningham) acted as a lawyer. He never
               consulted her (Hillary) in any way shape or form, nor
               did I," said Ickes, who served as deputy White House
               chief of staff to the former president and later as a key
               adviser to Mrs. Clinton's campaign.

               The revelation comes one day after Mrs. Clinton's
               brother returned nearly $400,000 he collected for
               helping secure a pardon and a prison commutation for
               two other clients.

               At the request of the Clintons, Hugh Rodham refunded
               the payments Wednesday. A congressional investigative
               committee immediately demanded documents and
               answers.

               The Clintons said they were unaware of the
               arrangements with Rodham and were "deeply disturbed"
               by what had happened.

               Rodham contacted Clinton's closest adviser in the White
               House, Bruce Lindsey, at least once in connection with
               one of the cases, which involved a major political
               contributor's son convicted on drug charges, legal
               sources said.

               Rodham "acceded to his family's request that he return
               legal fees earned in connection with pardon requests,"
               his attorney Nancy Luque said.

               "Their request, presumably made because of the
               appearance of impropriety, is one he cannot ignore,"
               Luque said. "There was, however, no impropriety in
               these matters."

               Legal sources, speaking on condition of anonymity, said
               Rodham, who is a lawyer, was paid for months of work
               on the prison commutation request of Carlos Vignali and
               received a "success fee" for helping win the pardon of
               Almon Glenn Braswell.

               The money included $200,000 after the Braswell pardon
               was granted and the rest paid over a period time as
               Rodham worked on the Vignali commutation, the
               sources said. They declined to provide an exact amount
               but said it totaled just below $400,000. The money was
               returned to Braswell and Vignali's family, the sources
               said.

               "Yesterday I became aware of press inquires that Hugh
               Rodham received a contingency fee in connection with a
               pardon application for Glenn Braswell and a fee for
               work on Carlos Vignali's commutation application," the
               former president said in a statement. "Neither Hillary
               nor I had any knowledge of such payments. We are
               deeply disturbed by these reports and have insisted that
               Hugh return any monies received."

               Mrs. Clinton added, "I was very disturbed to learn that
               my brother ... received fees in connection with two
               clemency applications. Hugh did not speak with me
               about these applications."

               A source close to the former president, speaking on
               condition of anonymity, said Lindsey had been contacted
               by Rodham and was aware of Rodham's involvement
               with the Vignali request. The source said Lindsey did
               not know about the presidential relative's involvement
               in the Braswell matter.

               The source said Clinton didn't know Rodham was
               working on behalf of the two pardon applicants and the
               decisions on both men were made on the merits of their
               situations.

               The Braswell pardon has generated controversy because
               after it was granted on Jan. 20 it was disclosed that the
               businessman was under investigation on new
               allegations.

               Braswell didn't apply for his pardon through the Justice
               Department, but Vignali did seek his commutation
               through the department in August 1998.

               The 140 pardons and 36 commutations Clinton granted
               just hours before President Bush took office have
               generated criticism from Republicans and Democrats
               alike and prompted congressional probe and a U.S.
               attorney's criminal investigation.

               Until now, however, critics have mainly focused on the
               clemency Clinton granted to fugitive financier Marc
               Rich, who was indicted in 1983 on charges of tax
               evasion and making illegal oil deals with Iran.
               Investigators want to know whether donations by Rich's
               former wife contributed to the pardon.

               Clinton has denied any wrongdoing, saying all the
               clemency decisions were made on the merits.

               New information was to be released Thursday about the
               hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations by Rich's
               ex-wife, Denise, to Clinton's presidential library
               project. The Clinton foundation in Little Rock, Ark.,
               was to release the information in response to a
               congressional subpoena, a person familiar with the
               matter said. However, Clinton's personal attorney,
               David Kendall, also was expected to release a letter
               explaining why some documents covered by the
               subpoena were not being provided.

               Todd Jones, the former U.S. attorney who prosecuted
               Vignali, said Thursday he was "quite shocked" to see
               Vignali on a list of prisoners granted clemency by
               Clinton. "This was a straight-up drug dealer, a source of
               cocaine, proven at trail, convicted by a jury and
               sentenced to a fair sentence," Jones said.

               Jones, who is black, added during an appearance on
               ABC's "Good Morning America" that "the fact that Hugh
               Rodham may have had some impact on whether or not
               this was granted ... further erodes any confidence that
               the public, particularly communities of color, may have
               that federal drug laws are enforced fairly and that
               people who are primarily responsible for providing
               dope on the streets do get prison time and serve prison
               time."

               Rep. Dan Burton, R-Ind., a longtime critic of Clinton
               and chairman of the House committee investigating the
               pardons, called the revelations of the payments to
               Rodham "deeply troubling" and vowed an investigation.

               "This makes it look like there is one system of justice
               for those with money and influence, and one system of
               justice for everyone else," Burton said.

               Burton sent letters Wednesday night demanding answers
               and records from the key players, including Rodham and
               Vignali's family.

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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2001, 12:22:00 PM »
Jerry Springer used to be the reason that I was ashamed to be an American.  Now Bill Clinton has taken his place.

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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2001, 01:03:00 PM »
MG?

Karnak?

Rasp?

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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2001, 02:27:00 PM »
 
"UH,who me, no I didn't know what my brother was up to"

Yea, right. If you  believe that, come see me when the tide goes out for a heck of a land deal
 http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/02/22/clinton.pardon.01/index.html

Hopefully enough of these and the general public aka media will eat their lunch, don't count on it though...

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« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2001, 04:10:00 PM »
(O) america's bellybutton after the clinton years

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« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2001, 09:37:00 PM »
Was a Dirtbag, Is a Dirtbag, Will be a Dirtbag.  Ooops, rephrase....Were Dirtbags, Are Dir---you know what I mean.
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« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2001, 12:53:00 AM »
ROFL, take a look at this! NOT FOR KIDS. Read it for a while until they get to the clinton part.. rofl..
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« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2001, 08:04:00 AM »
If you can live with yourself and stand behind your actions, there is *no way* that money should be returned.

Returning the money imho is not a gesture of PC but rather a hint of some wrongdoing.

Same thing with whatever flak about what the Clinton's took from the White House and all that other crap they decided to "give back" after they left.  It looks more like guilt than some stupid PC crap.

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« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2001, 12:51:00 PM »
The truly sad part of this is we're left relying on the National Enquirer of all things for accurate information.