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StSanta · « **on:** February 22, 2001, 01:03:00 PM »

used in that last strike.

GPS guided. Dinnae think you guys had those ready.

Seems now, all statiponary targets can be attacked and hit regardless of weather conditions.

Quite an achievement, way to go yankees.

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Ripsnort · « **Reply #1 on:** February 22, 2001, 01:08:00 PM »

Talking of the misses in last strike? GPS numbers were entered incorrectly, human error is 99.9% of all computer malfunctions...go figure..

blur · « **Reply #2 on:** February 22, 2001, 02:03:00 PM »

From the numbers on this page http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/agm-154.htm it appears that this system costs over a billion dollars.

Now, if that billion was spent on developing alternate energy sources or perhaps installing solar panels on every house in the country maybe we could lessen our dependency on this part of the world.

Wait a minute I'm starting to make too much sense!

On second thought it's good for the defense industry. Not only do they get to blow things up; the Pentagon can also go back to Congress to ask for more funds to fight terrorism after they piss everybody off.

Kind of like a mouse catcher growing his own mice.

Animal · « **Reply #3 on:** February 22, 2001, 02:07:00 PM »

go away hippie

miko2d · « **Reply #4 on:** February 22, 2001, 02:23:00 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by blur:
Now, if that billion was spent on developing alternate energy sources or perhaps installing solar panels on every house in the country maybe we could lessen our dependency on this part of the world.

Wait a minute I'm starting to make too much sense!

While you are at it, could you concentrate and wish real hard that the gravity constant changed so we all weighted half as much, or even one percent? Not only would it save fuel in all areas involving lifting and transportation, it would make us all feel wonderfully light and frisky! We would be able to jump down from the window instead of waiting for that pesky elevator! Women's breasts would look gorgeous without need (and expence) of a complicated bras.

What is that you saying? Gravity forces are governed by laws of nature and cannot be altered by wishfull thinking? What about the laws that govern the movement of money? Or structure of the society? Oh, you are saying that physics is a real science and sociology and economics are not - and their laws could be ignored at will because they are not real laws of nature at all? Good for you.

What is that saying... If my garandmother had balls, she would be my grandfather...

miko

Toad · « **Reply #5 on:** February 22, 2001, 02:37:00 PM »

Production unit cost:

AGM-154A Baseline / Mobile soft, fixed soft / $246,585

AGM-154B Anti-Armor / Mobile hard, mobile soft / $429,929

AGM-154C Unitary / Mobile hard, mobile soft Fixed hard, maritime surface / $661,013

Weapons aren't cheap anymore are they?

Now if you shoot one of these AGM-154B Anti-Armor $429,929 bullets and hit an enemy tank of the cost and capability of an M1A2 Abrams then you have killed a $4,300,000 tank.

While not cheap, it's not as bad as using an $8 million dollar weapon to destroy a $4 million dollar tank.

While I'm sure we'd ALL rather spend the bucks to "beat our swords into ploughshares" until such a time as the ENTIRE world does that you have a decision to make.

Do you prefer your sons and daughters to have the most "cost-effective" weapons or simply the best we know how to build, regardless of cost?

I think the Gulf War death toll for the Allies would have been quite a bit higher had we not spent billions on developing the F-117, the Cruise Missile, the Abrams, the MLRS and a host of other weapons. There were a lot of complaints when we funded those projects too.

If you're going to stand ready to fight a modern war, it costs. Big Money.

Or the US can become totally isolationist.

Which would suit me JUST fine.

[This message has been edited by Toad (edited 02-22-2001).]

TheWobble · « **Reply #6 on:** February 22, 2001, 03:14:00 PM »

Ya if yer gonna squeak about the price of weapons, and those weapons make it easier for you to hit the enemy without getting yourself killed in the process, then you must also have a set price for a human life..and as far as I am concerned life is priceless, so if it gets the job done and saves the lives of your solders im all for it.

StSanta · « **Reply #7 on:** February 23, 2001, 04:37:00 AM »

Rip, no, I was being sincere. Didn't think that weapon was operational yet.

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Duckwing6 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 23, 2001, 05:50:00 AM »

Aromory engineers out on the testing ground again ?

pzvg · « **Reply #9 on:** February 23, 2001, 07:02:00 AM »

And I suppose the rest of the world merely develops weapons as an art form?
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Mk10 225th · « **Reply #10 on:** February 23, 2001, 10:49:00 AM »

I think hippie, I mean blur, does have a point.

I'll have to admit, I have a weak spot for watching things blow up like all of us, but, it is about time we seriously consider getting alternative energy sources.

A fellow who runs a water & light department is in my train club, and it was the thought about 10-15 years ago that you could never make an electric car go fast enough, or have enough electrical storage to be feasible.

Now, we meld that with a combustion engine, and use that power to re-charge while we're using the combustion side.

So, I just hope our society (worldwide) doesn't turn into a group of folks who point fingers and call people names who want to think "outside of the box."

Some folks who changed our lives like Tesla, Edison, and Bell were looked upon as kooks. Hell, Edison spent half his time trying to communicate with the dead for heaven's sake.

I work with a builder who was telling me that a friend of his has a ground-source heat pump.

When everybody else is paying $200-400 for heating bills this year, he's paying about 45 bucks. And most of the energy/heat that powers his house is coming from the Earth. Hmmmmm.

We just need to keep our minds and hearts open guys. We need to keep thinking about getting better and smarter, not necessarily just gathering more and more of something.

That way, we'll still have plenty of money to buy things that go "BOOM!"

Mk

Ripsnort · « **Reply #11 on:** February 23, 2001, 10:52:00 AM »

Some money HAS to be for defense, or you would not have a country where one could have the freedom to come up with alternate power sources. ...the ends to the means?

blur · « **Reply #12 on:** February 23, 2001, 11:31:00 AM »

I've come across some interesting information concerning defense contractors; did you realize that CBS and NBC are owned by them?

No wonder you never see opposing opinions to our military operations!

I'm almost afraid to investigate NBC and CNN……almost...

funked · « **Reply #13 on:** February 23, 2001, 12:19:00 PM »

If we covered the US in enough photovoltaic cells to meet our needs, the three huggers would be crying about the environmental effects of mining that much silicon and the adverse effects on the environment from the enormous installations.

Toad · « **Reply #14 on:** February 23, 2001, 12:34:00 PM »

So, Blur, you finally joining the Isolationist bandwagon? Bring all the troops home now?

Or you just here tossing verbal grenades and running away again?

In other words, do you have anything in the way of solutions to contribute or just more inflammatory statements like always?

Funked think I read somewhere that if we had an area the size of Nevada covered we'd be producing more than we use. You heard anything on this?

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