Author Topic: ditching (Read 722 times)

bkbandit · « **on:** September 13, 2006, 08:56:29 AM »

I know this was here before and i searched but didnt find it. Ok, ur left landing gear is gone and u run out of gas right before the run way, u glid in and land on ur belly, u slide of the run way and go off to the left some so some of ur plane if on the dirt but it counts as a ditch. This sucks highly. I mean i remember once(i must have been drunk) i landed and some how turned side ways and took of both wings and my tail but since i was in the middle of the run way it counted as a landing, but if i have to bring it in on the belly it counts as a ditch. Im pretty sure u bomber guys have the same problem. Make it count as a landing if i land anywhere on the base period. Now what is worng with that?

1cemanVS · « **Reply #1 on:** September 13, 2006, 09:46:04 AM »

yes it is irritating when you make it all the way back to the AF with only 2/3 gears, and land it but skid onto the grass, and u think to yourself, i might aswell not play for the sake of realism and had just of chrashed into the sea or whatever

but if your idea is implimented, we will have people just gliding onto the AF willy nilly to land their kills, which detracts from the experience just as much

its a tricky one, maybe a coding variable that takes into account your handicap when landing, and the system appreciates you making the effort of bringing your fighter, and yourself back to friendly territory

bkbandit · « **Reply #2 on:** September 13, 2006, 01:55:36 PM »

yea i mean if the af knew i had no fuel or no gears or no elevators or ailerons etc....i could put it down safely on the field.

Realism is hard to come by here, in my f4u i dont have to worry about fighting spits or mustang my problem is the zeros and 190s. Fine, but if i slide of the runway a foot and get slaped with a ditch it isnt worth comin back damaged, just punch out or crash.

hitech · « **Reply #3 on:** September 13, 2006, 02:01:15 PM »

Ok ill change it so that if your wheels are not all down you always get a ditch. Would that suit you need for realism?

The point being it is, as it is for a resone, to have somthing to accomplish that isn't always easy, I realy don't give A's for effort of the ditch on runway, but wrather the sucess of a ditch on runway.

HiTech

Puck · « **Reply #4 on:** September 13, 2006, 02:18:57 PM »

People actually try to land with one main? Hrm. If I need to land at a capped field, or a field with cons approaching fast, or a broken wheel I'll leave all the wheels up and skid to a stop on the runway. I have a wonderful film of a landing where I slid to a stop (sans wings) on an AA pad and got a landing, too.

My mechanic hates me anyway, why should a broken prop and a scraped up belly make him any madder? Stop on concrete, it's a landing. Stop on grass, it's a ditch. Simple rule.

richard_rd · « **Reply #5 on:** September 14, 2006, 03:21:40 AM »

Yep,

Puck has the correct approach, If one of your main gear is damaged you are better off belly landing. Just come in slow with flaps down and you will skid to a strieght stop in under 100 feet.

I also will use the belling landing quite often even if my gear is not damaged. If i am trying to land at a field that is capped i will belly land because you come to a stop in 2-3 seconds insteadof the normal 5-8 seconds it takes to stop with wheels down and applyeeing brakes. I have escaped alot of deaths by vulch on landing by useing this approach. Also works better if you do it on the big or small pad instead of the runway, wider target and vulcher is not expecting you to land on pad!!!

Knegel · « **Reply #6 on:** September 15, 2006, 05:46:19 AM »

Hi,

imho a real landing is a landing on wheels, anywhere on the homebase.

A bellylanding is ditching, isnt it??

Maybe messages like "**** ditched * kills" and "**** bailed after * kills" should get implemented, the messages only get displayed and the kills only count if the pilot reach the hanger as a free and living man(not dead and not on enemy territory).

Just a idea!

Greetings,

Knegel

Puck · « **Reply #7 on:** September 15, 2006, 08:53:50 AM »

Well, my kopeck (something totally useless in the real world) is to keep things as they are.

If you get a system message everyone knows you managed to stop on concrete somewhere. Otherwise you are just another anonymous driver. Lining up with the runways in a sick airplane is a nice challenge.

ujustdied · « **Reply #8 on:** September 15, 2006, 10:26:41 PM »

ya dude this really sucks i remember once i had 10 kills going to land for got my gear was shot off went to and and got a ditch. i was fureus. i really wish they would change it. thats why i dont land with wheels any more. i always belly land it saves time and you can also land that way fast without getting vulched. belly land its alot easier.

Blagard · « **Reply #9 on:** September 16, 2006, 06:05:17 AM »

Back to what bkbandit wrote.

I like the landing award for putting a shot up aircraft successfully on a runway, wheels up or not.

I also like that if you don't make it, it's a ditch. The whole point is that there is a major difference in effort to get on the runway compared to anywhere on the field.

I sometimes feel miffed when I glide back and land undamaged on the field but stop on the grass. But the bottom line is that I didn't fly well enough to make the runway.

OK sometimes there is a fluke when you breakup an aircraft but somehow stop on a convenient bit of concrete and get an undeserved landing. But just think about what would happen if anywhere on the field counted as a landing. - A lot of people would just not even bother to try, and that is really a very bad move in the wrong direction.

Blagard · « **Reply #10 on:** September 16, 2006, 06:21:11 AM »

As far as what ujustdied said. This is a classic case of not bothering if there is a cop out! - Give players an easy way to do something and they will take it. - Nothing actually wrong with that!

I agree with the tactics for a vulched field, but any othertime I land re-arm and take off again (Measly Spit ammo load!). Try that after a belly landing!

The balance of gameplay and realism is a tough one. Hitech has it right in this case - IMO

ujustdied · « **Reply #11 on:** September 16, 2006, 09:33:15 AM »

well blagard i get at least 4 to 6 kills in a sortie i dont really feel brave enough to re arm hehehe.