My suggestion/solution to all the grumbling.

[Schatzi]

Originally posted by Major Biggles
while it's highly unlikely, i'd really love to see it, an arena where people fight to their heart's content, no score crap, no base taking, bombing might be fun sometimes, but only for bombing factories, and just the joy of a few historic missions, buffs, escorts and interceptors etc.

Welcome to the TA.

[LEADPIG]

Guppy as usual your the voice of reason. I like the AVA too, it's just theres nobody in there. I just went and theres 4 people. i been flying in the TA more than the MA you can fight to your hearts content and never shoot anybody down, so who cares. Plus some MA vets come in now and then and i get to test my skills against them, and even learn a few things, not to mention how much fun it is to fight the trainers.

[Tilt]

as much as one may wish to think that a fraternity of furballers could co exist in some like minded state of co operative acm heaven I have to say that the evidence to date is firmly agin it.

if you want to form the mind set of a society then you have to instill the standards from within.

This means you need power, influence and education.

Rules dont cut it where there are no penalties to go with it and HTC are not going to ban/mute folk for vulching, Ho'ing, cherry picking etc etc.

There was once a time when Nomads, ACCS, Dammed, Kraits and many others lived in a world where they were all of a like mind.............

Even that world swayed ..................


If you want power get organised...........get your "group" together and "make war on dweebs" in the MA and not on ch200!and not here!

If you want influence do stuff that gets respect................

And one of those things that gets respect is help with training...................

[Hawco]

The MA is mindless vulching, more vulching and the odd base capture, once you realise this and it takes time ( took me a while to realise this) then the MA is fine.

[Yeager]

there are no solutions here, just more fodder to make more silly proposals.

[detch01]

Originally posted by Tilt
If you want power get organised...........get your "group" together and "make war on dweebs" in the MA and not on ch200!and not here!

If you want influence do stuff that gets respect................

And one of those things that gets respect is help with training...................

Well said Tilt

asw

[BlkKnit]

I agree with Tilt here.

Wanna add that splitting the player base into seperate arenas based on style of play and attitudes toward fellow man cannot be a good thing.  I'd love to see both arenas thrive, and maybe we need to all work toward that, but designating one a "do what evil ye may" arena (MA) and the other a "do naught but good" arena (AvA) will only create a greater rift between players.  I can see it eventually becoming a "our arena is better than you arena" argument with players from both switching over to cause havoc.

Lets improve play in both arenas.

[aztec]

Some times things take small steps. If we the proponents of the AvA could come together with a simple schedule of perhaps 2 to 3 times a week where we could all gather and show some numbers,  maybe some folks will start to take notice. But then again, I used to sniff a lot of glue too. ;-) Testors BTW...the Conac of model glue.

[Slash27]

Originally posted by aztec
Some times things take small steps. If we the proponents of the AvA could come together with a simple schedule of perhaps 2 to 3 times a week where we could all gather and show some numbers,  maybe some folks will start to take notice.

It used to be every tues and thurs night. Those usually revolved around some sort of mission. Usually a bomber intercept. Not too long ago we had just a furball fight night that went over rather well with a decent turnout.  Lets start making tuesday night " Fight Night" and go from there. Thursday could remain the "Mission" oriented night if enough show an intrest. If you can get people showing up on a regular basis on these nights we'll have more "good fights in the AvA last night" posts and less " no one flys the AvA because no one flys in the AvA" posts.







btw, nice post Dan:aok

[jamusta]

Why not just let people do what they are going to do? Trying to stop the se actions will only frustrate you. You get HO'd, vulched, ganged or whatever nonsense that happens, no need to start an argument on 200 up a plane and shoot them down or find somewhere else...its just to easy.

[storch]

Originally posted by jamusta
Why not just let people do what they are going to do? Trying to stop the se actions will only frustrate you. You get HO'd, vulched, ganged or whatever nonsense that happens, no need to start an argument on 200 up a plane and shoot them down or find somewhere else...its just to easy.

"don't try to teach a pig to sing, it will only frustrate you and annoy the pig"  

Samuel Clemens
(Mark Twain)

[BlkKnit]

Originally posted by BlkKnit
I agree with Tilt here.

Wanna add that splitting the player base into seperate arenas based on style of play and attitudes toward fellow man cannot be a good thing.  I'd love to see both arenas thrive, and maybe we need to all work toward that, but designating one a "do what evil ye may" arena (MA) and the other a "do naught but good" arena (AvA) will only create a greater rift between players.  I can see it eventually becoming a "our arena is better than you arena" argument with players from both switching over to cause havoc.

Lets improve play in both arenas.

Apparently I was greatly mistaken

[Eagle Eye]

Too bad HTC didn't hire you this sucks