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Offline Ripsnort

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« on: September 13, 2006, 05:23:39 PM »
First, my condolences to our Canuck friends north of the border, this is tragic...

However, this also solidifies my stance that tighter gun laws simply don't work.  Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

http://www.komotv.com/stories/45450.htm

Gunman Opens Fire At Montreal College

September 13, 2006
 
By Associated Press

 
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MONTREAL - A gunman in a black trench coat and sporting a mohawk haircut opened fire Wednesday at a Montreal college and wounded at least 20 people - six critically - before he apparently was killed by police, witnesses and authorities said.

Scores of panicked students at Dawson College near downtown fled into the surrounding streets after the shooting broke out at the school of about 10,000. Some had clothes stained with blood.

Police spokesman Ean Lafreniere said there was just one gunman at the school and the search for any others was over.

Although police initially suggested the gunman had killed himself, Police Director Yvan DeLorme later said at a news conference that "based on current information, the suspect was killed by police."

CBC-TV showed police with guns drawn standing behind a police cruiser as a SWAT team swarmed the 12-acre campus. A bloody body covered in a yellow sheet lay next to a police cruiser near an entrance to a school building.

Montreal General Hospital said 11 people were admitted, including six who were in critical condition. The other nine were taken to two other hospitals.

Witnesses said a man wearing a black trench coat entered the school cafeteria and opened fire wordlessly.

Derick Osei, 19, said he was walking down the stairs to the second-floor cafeteria when he saw a man with a gun.

"He ... just started shooting up the place. I ran up to the third floor and I looked down and he was still shooting," Osei said. "He was hiding behind the vending machines and he came out with a gun and started pointing and pointed at me. So I ran up the stairs. I saw a girl get shot in the leg."

Osei said people in the cafeteria were all lying on the floor.

"I saw the gunman who was dressed in black and at that time he was shooting at people," student Michel Boyer told CTV. "I immediately hit the floor. It was probably one of the most frightening moments of my life."

"He was shooting randomly, I didn't know what he was shooting at, but everyone was screaming get out of the building," Boyer said. "Everybody was in tears. Everybody was so worried for their own safety for their own lives."

Raamias Hernandez, 19, said he had just finished his class when he saw everybody starting to run.

He said the gunman was dressed in a black jacket and had a mohawk haircut. Hernandez said he started to take pictures on a camera cell phone with his friend and the suspect saw them and started shooting.

Student Devansh Smri Vastava said he saw a man in military fatigues with "a big rifle" storm the cafeteria.

"He just started shooting at people," Vastava said, adding that he heard about 20 shots fired. He also said teachers ran through the halls telling students to get out.

"We all ran upstairs. There were cops firing. It was so crazy," Vastava said. "I was terrified. The guy was shooting at people randomly. He didn't care, he was just shooting at everybody. I just got out."

A SWAT team and canine units were dispatched to the school, going floor by floor to look for victims, Sgt. Giuseppe Boccardi told CNN.

People also were evacuated from two nearby shopping centers.

Canada's worst mass shooting also happened in Montreal. Gunman Marc Lepine killed 14 women at the Ecole Polytechnic on Dec. 6, 1989, before shooting himself.

The 25-year-old Lepine roamed the halls of the school firing a rifle, specifically targeting women whom he claimed in a suicide note had ruined his life. Nine other women and four men were wounded.

That shooting spurred efforts for tighter gun laws and greater awareness of societal violence - particularly domestic abuse. Canada's tighter gun law was achieved mainly as the results of efforts by survivors and relatives of the victims.

Another shooting in Montreal occurred in 1992, when a Concordia University professor killed four colleagues.

Dawson College was the first English-language institution in Quebec's network of university preparatory colleges when it was founded in 1969. It is the largest college of general and vocational education, known by its French acronym CEGEP, in the province.

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« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2006, 06:01:58 PM »
I cannot believe this happened :(

Good news is at least the shooter is DEAD.  No more problems from that POS.
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« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2006, 11:09:48 PM »
The whole mess is tragic.  

Anybody know what kinds of weapons were involved?  

I'm always amazed that in situations like this the death toll is often very low even though many are wounded.  I don't know if that's a commentary on the skill of medical personnel or the poor shooting skills of the murderer, but I'm thankful that he didn't have an even higher body count.

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« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2006, 11:15:00 PM »
The topic is in really bad taste....

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« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2006, 11:15:22 PM »
My condolonces to the families involved I hope all the injured recover. :(
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« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2006, 11:28:42 PM »
Fishu,

You don't consider it in bad taste for someone to launch the ubiquitous "More gun control is needed" threads after any such event in the United States....so why is it in bad taste to point out that gun laws cannot prevent such crimes from taking place in a heavily gun-controlled country?

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« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2006, 07:26:35 AM »
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The topic is in really bad taste....


Funny, you didn't think it was in bad taste in this thread, you even posted in it.

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=129429&referrerid=3203

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« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2006, 07:55:42 AM »
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Funny, you didn't think it was in bad taste in this thread, you even posted in it.

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=129429&referrerid=3203


I don't know what's bad in that, maybe you could tell me what's bad in it? There is no mean sarcasm like the topic of this thread.

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« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2006, 08:01:13 AM »
Fishu,
The original post:

I'm sure the shooters are now very sorry they had access to a pistol. Won't do the marine & his buddy much good though.



Mine doesn't have NEAR that sarcasm. I was just pointing out fact after condolences.

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« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2006, 08:11:25 AM »
You'll need lots more of incidents like these for Canada to approach the US stats.
People kill people yes but idiots with lust for killing are better to deal with without guns...
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« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2006, 08:36:53 AM »
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You'll need lots more of incidents like these for Canada to approach the US stats.
People kill people yes but idiots with lust for killing are better to deal with without guns...
But Canada has spent billions specifically to avoid this sort of thing, yet its all for naught. Guns are easily obtained even when severely restricted/banned, through black markets.

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« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2006, 09:09:03 AM »
the guy had a rifle... a non banned bolt gun.

Are you saying that all guns should be banned?   The guy could have killed a lot more people with a car of a truck or a bomb made from the stuff under his kitchen sink.

People are sheep... the gun control nuts will play their emotions like a violin over this.

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« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2006, 12:45:18 PM »
I have never responded to a 'gun' thread before, so here it goes:

I am in agreement with Rip (and others) that tighter gun laws wouldn't have changed anything in this case. There are places to get illegal guns here, even I know where I could get a choice of weapons.

Tighter gun controls is similar to 'war on drugs'. If someone wants to get some crack/heroin etc or a handgun or rifle, they don't have to look very far in a big city to find what they want.

Maybe the reason people want a war on drugs or tighter gun laws is because that's the only thing they can think of and they want to do something constructive? Thing about it is, it doesn't work.

Sad news from Montreal!:(

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« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2006, 12:52:36 PM »
2 questions :

How many death from a comparable event there was in Canada during the last 10 years ?


How many death from a comparable event there was in the USA during the last 10 years ?



ps : it's really 2 different questions.

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« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2006, 01:10:15 PM »
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I don't know what's bad in that, maybe you could tell me what's bad in it? There is no mean sarcasm like the topic of this thread.


You don't find this from that other thread starter wasn't sarcastic?

"Guns don't kill people, nah."

Both were tragic events and solemnity should preside but that doesn't mean we can't learn something from the event.