Spit IX and Seafire IIc

[skysnipr]

These are the same planes, right? Except for the tailhook that the Seafire carries and the bomb it can take, they are the same. I think HTC messed up the ENY values in the mid-war arena because the Spit IX has a value of 10 and the Seafire has a value of 15. Oh well, as long as I feel like flying a Spit 9, I think I'll just take the Seafire. The better to get points in, lol.

[Lusche]

Originally posted by skysnipr
These are the same planes, right?

No.
Spit V and Seafire are.

[Schutt]

Seafire is a SpitV with more canon rounds.

[scottydawg]

I've always felt that the Seafire was a bit more sluggy at low speed.  Dunno if that's due to additional rounds or weight from the folding wing deal.  or both.

[Schatzi]

Originally posted by scottydawg
I've always felt that the Seafire was a bit more sluggy at low speed.  Dunno if that's due to additional rounds or weight from the folding wing deal.  or both.

Both additional ammo and hook add weight to the Seafire. Apart from that its basically a Mk5 (not the downgraded engine power one though, the "old" Spit5 AFAIK)

[skysnipr]

Huh, I always thought that the Seafire and the Spit 9 were the same. It might of had something to do with the fact that in the old MA, the Spit 9 and the Seafire had the same ENY value of 15. I guess that all goes to show how much I know about Spitfires. I still like the Seafire though, regardless of the model of Spitfire it was designed from. While I'm thinking about it, is there a difference between the Spit 9 and the Spit 5, except for the difference with ammo?

[MiloMorai]

The Spit V used a 2 speed, single stage supercharger Merlin 40 and 50 series while the Spit IX used a 2 speed, 2 stage supercharger Merlin 60 and 70 series.

Schatzi, how much additional ammo?

[Lusche]

Best place to look up performance differences in AH2:

http://gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php

[Schatzi]

Originally posted by MiloMorai

Schatzi, how much additional ammo?

Double.

With the remodel, the Spit5 got changed to the early war version (weaker engine, dont ask me which one though) and 60 rpg instead of 120 rpg. Seafire still has 120 rpg.

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by Schatzi
Both additional ammo and hook add weight to the Seafire. Apart from that its basically a Mk5 (not the downgraded engine power one though, the "old" Spit5 AFAIK)

No it has the same Merlin as the Vb we have.
Only difference is extra weight, double cannon rounds and tailhook.

I have been asking for some time now for the Seafire to have the more common low alt Merlin 32 instead of the 45/46. AKA Seafire L IIc.

More than twice as many Seafires had the Merlin 32 than the 46, and all early Seafire IIc's with the 46 were refitted with the Merlin 32.

[Noir]

now the need would be early RAF CV planes for early war arena, but that arena needs so much planes and veh's.......

anyone knows how much does that foldable wing stuff weights ?

[gripen]

Originally posted by MiloMorai
The Spit V used a 2 speed, single stage supercharger Merlin 40 and 50 series while the Spit IX used a 2 speed, 2 stage supercharger Merlin 60 and 70 series.

I don't have Morgan/Shacklady's bible in hand but most Spitfire Vs had a single speed, single stage Merlins. Only some experimental Spitfires got 2 speed, single stage Merlin's (Spitfire IIIs and possibly some others).

gripen

[Squire]

Spitfire V used the Merlin 45 and 46.

Merlin 46 had a slightly larger blower (10.25 inch).

Both were single stage.

The Merlin 60 series was a two stage design, on the IX.

[gripen]

Well, the point was that the 2 two speed single stage Merlin was not commonly used in the Spitfire (like the Merlin XX in the Hurricane).

Basicly:

Single stage = one blower

Two stage = two blowers in series

Single speed = supercharger run single speed (or constant ratio)

Two speed = supercharger can run two different speed

=>

Merlin III, 45, 50 etc. = single stage, single speed
Merlin XX, 25, 28, V-1650-1 etc. = single stage, two speed
Merlin 60, 100, V-1650-3 etc. = two stage, two speed

In addition there were at least experimental Merlins with three speed system as well as variable speed system.
 
gripen

[Angus]

Would be logical to give the Seafire more performance on the deck, after all it's an aircraft carrier aircraft that needs performance down low.
BTW, Spit V's with full load would take off carriers, - and those were not as big as the US carriers.
Full load means full gas fuel and a slipper tank for 600 miles + of range.