Author Topic: Cali must hang up and drive (Read 1045 times)

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #15 on:** September 16, 2006, 02:42:51 PM »

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Originally posted by expat
But when you do ..and god forbid kill someone??? then what ...

Then you punish them.

lazs2 · « **Reply #16 on:** September 16, 2006, 03:01:31 PM »

Ok expat.. they may just be talking to themselves with one of those things stuck in their ear....

Then again.. the guys holding a cell phone may be talking to themselves and not talking on the phone.

Funked is right... if you are caught doing something wrong deal with it then.

Oh.. I rarely talk on a cell phone in the car or motorcycle (natch) 2 of my three cars are way too loud.

I don't like the way cell phone drivers drive but don't see it as being a dexterity issue so much as a conversation induced coma issue.

lazs

john9001 · « **Reply #17 on:** September 16, 2006, 03:22:09 PM »

lazs is right, if your going to drive , then drive, if you want to talk, stop and talk.

driving is not a part time job.

SIK1 · « **Reply #18 on:** September 16, 2006, 08:11:57 PM »

Hurrah!
It's about time. I'm sick of people talking on the phone when they should be driving. They are a menace to me and others that use the roads. It has been proven that it is as dangerous as driving drunk.
So hang the funk up and drive.

SIK1

Debonair · « **Reply #19 on:** September 16, 2006, 10:53:31 PM »

does that mean its OK for me to drive drunk as long as i dont use the phone?

Tarmac · « **Reply #20 on:** September 17, 2006, 12:01:55 AM »

Nanny state loving commie bastards. Until I cause an accident, I've done nothing wrong.

BlkKnit · « **Reply #21 on:** September 17, 2006, 08:32:35 AM »

yeah.....prevention is a stoopid idear

lazs2 · « **Reply #22 on:** September 17, 2006, 10:34:13 AM »

you guys are missing the point.

I see no difference between hands on or hands off cell phone use.

If talking on the cell phone is so dangerous then simply make it illegal under any circumstances.... then.. like england... make eating in the car illegal or drinking water....

If that still isn't enough make listening to the radio illegal or talking to passengers... If that still doesn't work....

make it illegal to drive poorly.

lazs

BTW · « **Reply #23 on:** September 17, 2006, 04:10:37 PM »

I look at it this way, a law like that would have no effect on me. It would only affect and irritate those who tend to irritate me - those soccer moms blabbing on the cell phone while drifting in my lane or doing 25 mph on the interstate. Now I say, if they have a stereo blasting while on the cell phone, multiple bill them and send them up for life!

Vulcan · « **Reply #24 on:** September 17, 2006, 06:04:28 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
you guys are missing the point.

I see no difference between hands on or hands off cell phone use.

Actually lazs unless you're some kind of 3 armed freak theres a big difference. It takes one arm/hand out of action. The differences I notice when I use my BT headset is I can look around properly, I can have full control of the wheel, gears, and indicate properly when turning.

FYI I use a BT headset not because I'm forced too but because I know it is heaps safer.

lazs2 · « **Reply #25 on:** September 18, 2006, 09:21:49 AM »

lots, most, people drive one handed in any case. It is not the holding of the cell phone that is the problem.

It is the conversation coma that talking on the phone causes... if you are driving and talking on the phone...

You are impaired... you are risking your life and everyone around you. I see no functional difference between drunks and cell phone users.

driving with a cell phone in your ear instead of a mic clipped to it does not cause you to weave and change speeds like a drunk.

What causes that is trying to "make your point" in some useless phone conversation.

This will help no one but the sponsors... the guys who sell hands off equipment.

lazs

Goomba · « **Reply #26 on:** September 18, 2006, 09:43:01 AM »

FUNKED..I think you have the right idea, but are perhaps misapplying it.

There is a standard of ethics which revolves around the concept of "other-directed harm". Meaning, as you stated, that society (not just government) has a right to intervene in an individuals behavior which puts other individuals at risk they did not accept.

The problem with your stance is that distracted driving actually IS "other-directed harm" as a result of the inherent danger involved...just the same way that drunk driving is.

We legislate behavior concerning alcohol, because it is not always a private risk...aggression, drunk driving, etc... are alcohol related aggravated risks that give society the right to intervene.

Talking on the phone AT HOME is not, so should not be subjected to the same intervention. Neither is talking on the phone on the sidewalk, or outside the restaurant (where it belongs, BTW), etc...

In the car, you become a danger to yourself and everyone around you, and prosecuting you after you've killed my wife and kids won't be good enough.

Much as we don't want to give up the right to chatter anytime, anyplace...we've gotta realize that there is a time and place for everything. The car ain't a good place of for most of 'em...

Ripsnort · « **Reply #27 on:** September 18, 2006, 02:13:41 PM »

Personally, I think if you are going to ban cell phones, then ban conversation in automobiles, ban CB Radios, ban eating, ban putting make up on (sorry lazs..) ban kids in cars (they are 10 times more distracting than a cell phone conversation) ban anything except being silent and having 2 hands on the wheel.

Now, I don't personally use a cell while driving (I pull over) but I think you cannot just single out one source of distraction while driving. Eating is far more dangerous because Funked is constantly looking down to see if that tartar sauce from his 5th Fillet-O-Fish has dripped down into his crouch.

Tarmac · « **Reply #28 on:** September 18, 2006, 02:32:23 PM »

Why is it that police officers are so superhuman that they can talk on a radio and operate a computer while driving at speeds over the limit and likely tailgating someone? Yet all of the citizens of this country are somehow too dumb to make a judgement as to whether it's a safe and appropriate time to use a phone?

And don't say it's training... nobody's ever trained me how to talk, type, and drive at the same time.

Vulcan · « **Reply #29 on:** September 18, 2006, 03:00:50 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
lots, most, people drive one handed in any case. It is not the holding of the cell phone that is the problem.

Errr no. Its the driving one handed AND having a cellphone pinned to your ear. It restricts your head movement. Unlike a bottle of drink people will not put down a cellphone mid-conversation to indicate.

Rip they're not banning cellphones, they're just telling you to use em in a handsfree mode which is a hell of a lot safer.

Or are you guys so broke spending all your $$$$ on guns and ammo that you can't afford a crappy little $20 Bluetooth headset?