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« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2001, 08:35:00 AM »
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« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2001, 09:02:00 AM »
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« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2001, 09:07:00 AM »
If this nation wished the majority of the population of Afganistan would simply cease to exist.

 THIS nation doesnt do such things, we avoid civilian casualties as much as possiable due to the fact that WE DO have COMPASSION.

 Grun... relax, these indiv's enjoy jerking you around. Thier view matters little really. There is a REASON why so many different forms of governments across the world are backing the US's response...


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Of course, I only see what he posts here and what he does in the MA.  I know virtually nothing about the man.  I think its important for people to realize that we don't really know squat about each other.... definately not enough to use words like "hate".

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« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2001, 09:26:00 AM »
sheesh people. civilian lives are civilian lives regardless of nationality.  HOWEVER, the US is not just carpet bombing the hell out of the Afghani people.  It's being approached the same way as it was in Iraq 10 years ago.  Sure, some mistakes were made and some civilians died, but not as many as Iraq (and the Taliban now) want you to believe.  But the US bombed a milk factory in Iraq!  We all saw the sign on the factory!  Uhmm, since when does a Arabic speaking nation have signs in plain English on their buildings?  A lot of what you're hearing (from both sides) is propaganda.  It's difficult to know what to believe, except this.  We're not targeting civilians.  Some will die, but not as a target of war.  Think about it.  Every plain Afghan we kill (intentionally or inadverdantly) gives the Taliban leverage on their people.  "See, the US cares not for you, they slaughter you just as they slaughtered 1000's of your Muslim brethren in Iraq!  We care for you.  We brought stability and religious order."  As for the people revolting against the Taliban, I don't think so.  The majority of the Afghans are scared to death of the Taliban, and the ones that aren't scared are beaten to death.  We're gonna do our best to help those people by removing the Taliban.  Unfortunately, we're going to kill some of those people in the process.  Like Eagler said, the same thing happened in Germany in WWII.  The Third Reich had to be removed from power, and there were going to be civilian casualties.  The Allies did the job.  It's gotta happen again now.  The Taliban is oppressive and openly supports terrorist activities.  They must be removed from power by any means necessary.
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« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2001, 09:33:00 AM »
Grunherz - are you for real? Or are you a 'right wing nutter with tourette's syndrome' UBB bot? Your posts, while making little sense or adding to the debate, are good for a laugh.
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« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2001, 09:49:00 AM »
Im very angry at this anti-american attitide (in many forms) thats cropping up in some people thats all. Very angry. These days, and especially at a college campus there is no free speech except for leftists with america hating messages so im very frustrated with people who hold such ideas. Everything else is declared intollerant. You cant do anything to them or even reason with them or educate them. I prolly take it out on some people here, sometimes rightly and sometimes not.

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« Reply #21 on: November 09, 2001, 10:03:00 AM »
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We're gonna do our best to help those people by removing the Taliban.The Taliban is oppressive and openly supports terrorist activities.  They must be removed from power by any means necessary.

SO how did the emphasis on the bombings go from essentially a police action to capture Osama Bin-Laden and Al Qaeda, to the removal of the Taliban government..supposedly "liberating" the oppressed peoples of Afghanistan?
And before the bombings, since when did the Taliban openly support terrorism? The taliban is only being punished because they had the audacity to refuse to simply hand over Bin-Laden without proof.
Both the British, and Germans showed in WW2 that such bombing only strengthens the resolve to continue fighting.

China has a self impossed regime, that oppresses its peoples...does that mean the US  military are drawing up plans to attack Beijing?

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« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2001, 10:17:00 AM »
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SO how did the emphasis on the bombings go from essentially a police action to capture Osama Bin-Laden and Al Qaeda, to the removal of the Taliban government..essentially "liberating" the oppressed peoples of Afghanistan?
And before the bombings, since when did the Taliban openly support terrorism? The taliban is only being punished because they had the audacity to refuse to simply hand over Bin-Laden without proof.
Both the British, and Germans showed in WW2 that such bombing only strengths the resolve to continue fighting.

China has a self impossed regime, that oppresses its peoples...does that mean the US  military are drawing up plans to attack Beijing?

Don't let fact spoil a good story

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We aren't liberating crap. If the taliban is overthrown during the process, so be it. Our goal is to stamp out terrorism and the governments/orgs that support it.
taliban made their bed, now they have to lie in it.

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« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2001, 11:11:00 AM »
Trotski since you are so cozy with the Taliban tell us all what level of "proof" they require to turn over Bin Laden?

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« Reply #24 on: November 09, 2001, 01:24:00 PM »
Ironic isn't it, in order to take a base in AH, WE MUST DESTROY (COMPLETELY) the  TOWN, where the map room, barracks, and some fuel is placed.  Now if they weren't using the civilians as a shield WHY would these military items be placed in a TOWN.  

SO, Hitech, I guess you will have to stop us from bombing the towns...

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« Reply #25 on: November 09, 2001, 01:33:00 PM »
I'm tired of hearing about what great military leaders these thugs are.  I could sneak up behind the heavy weight champion of the world,  and smack him behind the ear.  Does that mean I know as much about boxing as he does?  Hardly.  There are legitimate nations all over the world that send their people to OUR war collages to learn how to do it.  This says about all that is needed about America's knowledge of warfare.  All we have here is a small group of gangsters trying to stir up some toejam.  And they are just going to die for there trouble.  Thanks to the American armed forces, when they are rotting corps's.  I will still be dancing with my grand babies.


  Civilian casualtys are a function of warfare. Wars are always punitive actions.  While no US military officer would intentionally target civilians in this type of war.  They are aware that these casualtys will occur.  And will provide ample message to other countrys, that might consider harboring these dorks.

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« Reply #26 on: November 09, 2001, 02:11:00 PM »
Trotski, US has intel that Taliban is funded and controlled by Bin Laden.  You expect the US to hand over our intel (which is going to compromise sources and methods) to the people who we are at war with?

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« Reply #27 on: November 09, 2001, 04:33:00 PM »
hehe i understand why grunherz is pissed - it's kind of a fad around this part of the world to protest the war effort and then go home to your comfy mommy's house and trade mp3s with your little teenie friends.

it would be tolerable if they really felt that way i guess, but you know when you see them that the circumstances dont matter, they are just protesting as a fashion accessory and it pisses me off that so many people havent thought deeply about this conflict.

thats why i still warn against too much imagery - you have to support it or disagree with it based on harder goods than just emotions or responses to pictures.

some of the same people responding to overdramatized eagles soaring over new york with lee greenwood playing in the background  or whatever are gonna be the same people changing their minds and becoming dissenters when someone cooks up a bunch of pictures of civilian casualties.

you cant be that gullible!

if you support it - do it because it makes sense not because you ot all choked up.....it's gonna be a mess, we will all have to be strong. civi's are gonna die, thats part of war and i think some people are naive about that. they are cheering now but this wont always be fun - i hope people are ready to handle the worst of it too. we'll see-

hey grun, just some advice for your own sanity, dont take any trips to berkeley this weekend ok  :)

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« Reply #28 on: November 09, 2001, 05:00:00 PM »
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If this nation wished the majority of the population of Afganistan would simply cease to exist.

 THIS nation doesnt do such things, we avoid civilian casualties as much as possiable due to the fact that WE DO have COMPASSION.

 Grun... relax, these indiv's enjoy jerking you around. Thier view matters little really. There is a REASON why so many different forms of governments across the world are backing the US's response...


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I don't understand you ...

One day you post msg like and a** hole (sorry for the term but it describe my though) and the other day you make a post that make sense ...

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« Reply #29 on: November 09, 2001, 05:17:00 PM »
Who woulda thought that chunk tuna would look and smell like THAT after just a few hours in a cats ass?
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