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« on: November 08, 2001, 01:41:00 AM »
If you have not seen this yet, it is worth your time...
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« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2001, 07:10:00 AM »
To couple powerful images and music to a theme of revenge does a great disservice. I’m sure just a powerful of a presentation could be made from the Afghani perspective showing mothers weeping over the shredded and burnt corpses of their sons and daughters after a B-52 attack.

At times like these more compassion and understanding are called for, not throwing more emotional logs into the fire of revenge.

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« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2001, 07:19:00 AM »
blur

you volunteering to go over there and "explain" our side to those ignorant animals?

It war and we didn't start it but we are going to finish it. If young future terrorists and their mothers get it in the process, tough toejam. Better them than us chump.

now everyone hold hands as blur leads us into another verse of "Why can't we be Friends". Pay no attention to the TNT vest the Arab on ur right is wearing....he just doesn't "understand" you.

BTW, the link was already posted before but it's message warrants repeating: http://www.hitechcreations.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=003686

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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2001, 09:34:00 AM »
Hi Blur,  would you explain why you think the above content does a disservous?

I personally don't see it as a disservice to anyone, expect maybe the terrorists and their supporters.

Your viewpoint on this seems a little odd, unless I'm misunderstanding you.
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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2001, 09:43:00 AM »
i dont know about 'disservice' but people are too easily swayed by media images. it's gonna be a long and brutal war - we have to keep grounded in reality.

if you live by your emotions, you die by them too. weepy patriotic today images and weepy dissenter images tomorrow.

knowing what it's all about will keep you making decisions with your mind and not commercials.

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« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2001, 09:53:00 AM »
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you volunteering to go over there and "explain" our side to those ignorant animals?

 If you are referring to afghani pesants as "ignorant animals", fine - just remember that they did not have anything to do with the 911 attack. They did not participate in it, they do not have money to donate to Al-Kaeda and they do not have any say in their government's decision to house Al-Kaeda bases.
 It is unfortunate that we have to eradicate hundreds of peasants to get to a single terrorist fighter or leader and it does not do much about the real terrorist threat to US. Those who attacked WTC were not fighters. They did not need to practice in the afghanistan camps with AKs and RPG to perform their mission.

 On the other hand the real terrorist leaders can hardly be described as "ignorant". They mostly have best western education available, are thoroughly familiar with the western way of life and proved their abilities in many situations. That was the reason we formerly chose to cooperate with them in the first place, rather then some moderate democrats.

 I am not against the bombings but I prefer straight facts. Pretending that enemy leaders are less capable then we are have and will cause us lot of trouble.
 Pretending that slaughtering peasants is a meaningfull military activity rather then an unfortunate side-effect will allow our military to claim success where none is acieved.

 Both those errors contributed to the reason why we did not expect the 911 attack after previous attacks and explicit declarations of war by OBL and other groups. After all, they were thought too stupid to pull it off and besides, we blew up some peasants with our cruise missles too...

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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2001, 10:52:00 AM »
I'm saying it is a war and in war innocents die. Sorry they live in a country ran by zealots just as I'm sorry about those that lived their day to day in Berlin and had nothing to do with the German war machine.
tough toejam.

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« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2001, 04:24:00 AM »
We are not after the civilians.  If we were, it would be a bloodbath by now.  It won't be one.  I for one would try and stop it if that ever became the case (which it never will).

However.

The Taliban DO support Al Queda openly.  They know what they are.  They know where they are.  They know what they are doing.  The are fine with this.

They're guilty.

And that makes them bomb magnets.

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« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2001, 05:52:00 AM »
BLUR diddly YOU! I HOPE YOU GO HELL YOU whoopee TERRORIST SYMPATHYZER I HOPE YOU DIE AS YOU READ THIS POST OR GOD WILLING YOU NEVER READ IT AND ARE DEAD AS I WRITE THIS!

diddly YOU!

diddly YOU!

ZERO TOLERANCE FOR LIKES OF YOU! DIE!

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« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2001, 06:14:00 AM »
What a wise post  :D

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« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2001, 06:20:00 AM »
Bombing civilians is in my view a neccessary bad,that has to be done in certain scenarios.
They attacked civilians in the US,when they did that they lost all their rights for any other kind of treatment.
Off course it wasn`t some 5 years old afghan boy who did it and now may be lying dead,but he`s parents and the rest of the adult population who allowed a regime like
the taliban to power,and know what kinda people they harbour.
Germany got bombed the toejam out of during the 2nd world war.They called it terror bombing,but it was Germany too who started the bombing of civilians in Spain,than in Warsaw,Coventry,London etc.

So imo if You live in a country that`s government does or backs people that do such deeds ,either do something about it,or expect to die.
Afghanistan isn`t like an eastern europian country where the communist regime was in power because the whole Red army would crush any revolt against it.
If the people of Afghanistan really wanted to,they could throw this evil group of people over.But it seems like they like them,and this simple fact makes them evil too.

What bugs me the most is,how can they allow countries like Syria and Iran in the coalition.What a diddlyin joke.
They should be bombed with the rest of these amazinhunks.

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« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2001, 06:25:00 AM »
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To couple powerful images and music to a theme of revenge does a great disservice. I’m sure just a powerful of a presentation could be made from the Afghani perspective showing mothers weeping over the shredded and burnt corpses of their sons and daughters after a B-52 attack.

At times like these more compassion and understanding are called for, not throwing more emotional logs into the fire of revenge.


 Get a grip blur.  Mothers crying over thier sons and daughter's?  The Afghanis do have T.V. camera's you know....where's the proof?  And don't even try to show me a picture of a crispy critter because you can't prove whether it' a civilian or not.  The only word on casualties coming out of that country is coming straight from the Taliban.

 What your doing is buying  Taliban/Al-Queda propaganda hook line and sinker.  The forces conducting the bombing in Afghanistan aren't flying in there and slinging weapons just anywhere...they are precise and MANY man hours of planning go into each and every piece of explosive Iron that impacts.  Unfortunately, this is warfare, mistakes happen and people get killed that shouldn't.

  This isn't revenge, this engagement is no more than ridding the world of a group of PEOPLE who would have no problem walking up and sinking a rusty dagger into your belly just because you don't THINK the way they think you should.

  Nobody wants to see civilians die, my only answer is to tell them to grab a clue.  Run the Taliban out and if that won't work GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY.  <NEWSFLASH> There's a WAR on and BOMBS are falling on and around MILITARY / TERRORIST targets.

  If you feel the need to hug a terrorist..then I agree whole heartedly with Grun.  But as far as the Afghani's go, show me who they support.  SHOW me they are "innocent".  SHOW ME!  We don't know the consensus of that population for sure, but we ARE at least sending humanitarian aid to civilians.  

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« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2001, 07:09:00 AM »
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ:
BLUR diddly YOU! I HOPE YOU GO HELL YOU whoopee TERRORIST SYMPATHYZER I HOPE YOU DIE AS YOU READ THIS POST OR GOD WILLING YOU NEVER READ IT AND ARE DEAD AS I WRITE THIS!

diddly YOU!

diddly YOU!

ZERO TOLERANCE FOR LIKES OF YOU! DIE!

LOL, you came very close to making me spit coffee through my nose.  :)

I’m starting to wonder if maybe we’re bombing the wrong people.  ;)

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« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2001, 07:14:00 AM »
I bet you are...

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« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2001, 07:54:00 AM »
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To couple powerful images and music to a theme of revenge does a great disservice. I’m sure just a powerful of a presentation could be made from the Afghani perspective showing mothers weeping over the shredded and burnt corpses of their sons and daughters after a B-52 attack.

At times like these more compassion and understanding are called for, not throwing more emotional logs into the fire of revenge.

i see nothing in here that would ever make me even think of labelling blur a "terrorist sympathiser" (with or without the adjacent adjectives.)

blur was merely exercizing his right to lend his opinion, label him and refuse him this right and you lose the freedom that you are "fighting" so hard for.

i pray that there is still some room for dissent.
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p.s. i prolly should make this post about 10 times longer, making sure i clarify my viewpoint and pre-defend my every word.  But i just dont have the time right now.