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Offline Dago

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OT - The President and the flag?
« on: November 14, 2000, 05:13:00 PM »
Was sent this, checked and it was from the new report site listed. I dont know if its true, but I wouldnt be surprised.

By Geoff Metcalf
2000  WorldNetDaily.com

President Clinton reportedly plans to visit China and Vietnam before the  end of his term, and,
according to high-ranking Navy officers, the commander in chief will alter long-standing naval
regulations to allow the American flag to fly below that of Vietnam when
he  sails into the communist nation's territorial waters on a U.S. Navy ship.

Highly placed Navy sources  who spoke on condition of anonymity believe this
action on the president's part would further devastate already tenuous Navy
morale.

As part of his swan song, Clinton reportedly intends  to visit two ports
aboard Naval vessels. Trip one takes him to thePeople's Republic of China,
which has a regulation that no war ship  of any country may enter its
territorial waters flying a flag higher than thatof the People's Republic
of China. According to one Navy source, China and the U.S. have  effected a
compromise whereby both flags-the U.S. and  the PRC-will be flown from U.S.
naval vessels at the same height.

But visceral outrage is resulting from a proposed change to  Navy regulations
that would result in the American flag being displayed subordinate to the
flag of Vietnam.

Navy regulations and  tradition prescribe that no country's flag will be
displayed in a superior  position to the U.S.flag.

However, Vietnam's rules reportedly demand  that the Vietnamese flag shall
always fly in a superior position to any other country's flag.  High-ranking
naval officers, speaking on condition that their names not be published, say
the reason for all the alarm, anger and career-threatening
rhetoric is that Clinton allegedly has either ordered, or  is about to order,
 the secretary of the Navy to amend regulations to permit the Vietnamese flag
to be displayed over the U.S. flag.

I'd  like to blow the @#&*% thing up!" said one frustrated officer.  The
United States Navy Regulations began with the enactment by the Continental
Congress of the "Rules for the Regulation of the Navy of the United Colonies"
on Nov. 28, 1775.  So a long and proud history bolsters the long-held Navy
tradition that no country's flag will fly higher than   that of the United
States.

Commenting on the report, Col. David Hackworth, America's most decorated
living war veteran, said,  "What's new?  Clinton has done everything else to
dishonor the flag, why not  make it number two? "He added, "Congress ought
to pull this traitor's  travel plug ... now."

Calls to the Navy Staff Operations and  Special Events office were referred
to the Public Affairs Office, which then referred WND to the news desk.  When
WND outlined the scenario, the spokesman- whose first comment was, "Wow" -
later called back to say, "We haven't been able to find anything on it yet, but
we're trying to run the story to  ground."

Adm. Thomas B. Fargo, commander in chief of the U.S.  Pacific
Fleet, reportedly has visited the People's Republic of China  recently also,
although the reason for the trip is not known.

NOTE:   Some of you may wonder what the fuss is about, but please remember
that the  Navy prides itself on honor and tradition. The Naval Officers are
not being  "childish and petty" when they speak out against this.  Morale is
at an  all-time low, and military commands do notneed to once again be
berated for  their job.

How does this "slap in the face" decision  fall under the power(s) of the
Commander in Chief?  It reminds me of when Hillary ordered that uniforms not
be worn by the White House in-house Marines. This order still stands, if you
visit the White House today, 8 yrs. later. What used to be a sought-after,
privileged job, is now seen as a tour of punishment by these young Marines
who stand around in civilian clothes. They not only lost their uniform but
their self-esteem to be seen in the uniform theyare asked to defend.

How much more can the people that are asked  todefend our freedom take?  
The crews on the Navy ships leave their families andloved ones
behind more than 6 months at a time. Everything  possible should be
done to praise and encourage them for their  dedication!  Clinton
will enjoy his boat ride for a few hours and never  look back to see the eyes of
the men and women who serve our country.   Just as the  Clinton Administration
will never look back at the damage  that has been done to our Military and
to this Nation.

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OT - The President and the flag?
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2000, 05:16:00 PM »
Geezus...  They just don't quit do they?

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« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2000, 06:04:00 PM »
WHAT???

Is the same site that reported the 5 cent per email to the USPS?

(Hey, it's reported on a net site...must be true.) This is just fanning the flames of hate...I think we have too much of that in the world.

Two words: Off Topic

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« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2000, 07:21:00 PM »
2 more words.......who cares?

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« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2000, 07:30:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by -rkat-:
2 more words.......who cares?

most Americans, especially those that tend to be patriotic... Like US Armed forces, like me.

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Retired USAF - 1988 - 2011

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« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2000, 08:04:00 PM »
 Un diddlying believable

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« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2000, 08:20:00 PM »
I do not believe this could possibly be true.

The United States should never fly its national flag, a flag that symbolizes freedom,liberty, dedication, and unswerving loyalty of its citizens to be flown lower than that of another nation.  Surely Vietnam, a nation that takes pride in its heritage also, that reportedly has such an order inplace for its own government, would never try to subject a nation whith the same national pride to do differently.  To do so would be an insult to the very people who fought so hard in that conflict not so long ago, to the very people and the families of those who gave up their lives to defend the flag of the United States and the ideals it upheld.

This is just my opinion.

Kronos

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« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2000, 08:35:00 PM »
As a guest of a nation you should respect their traditions, their culture, their requests. Just as they should respect yours.

Just as you would have guests to your home respect you. If you cannot offer such respect to your host then perhaps it is not time to visit them yet.


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« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2000, 08:49:00 PM »
Whats going on here? For months we couldn't get vulcan to talk about anything in the arena but noodlees and anuses. Not he's giving advice on international affairs? Whats up with that??

Next, we're gonna hear that creamo is going to seminary to be a minister.

 

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« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2000, 09:02:00 PM »
What are you refering to easymo - the story itself?  

This thing was written back in August. It is now three moths later, and the Prez is only now overseas, yet hasn't even set foot in Vietnam.

This bit of "reporting" consisted of Metcalf calling a bunch of people in the Navy and elsewhere, laying out this bit of "information", and recording their reactions.

He called one war veteran and this veteran, expressed his outrage. Understandable, if this story were even factual.

He then called the Navy Staff Operations and Special Events office itself, who replied that that they werent aware of anything like this. They then called back later to say still hadn't been able to find anything on it, but were still looking.

The people, those "High Ranking Navy Officers" who would "only speak on the condition of anonymity", and who perportedly supplied Metcalf with this information, had such juicy tidbits to say as "I'd like to blow the @#&*% thing up!" - refering to Vietnamese flags. Well, interesting sentiment perhaps, but excuse me if I find this to be irrelevant. Also worth noting that this comes from a guy who demands respect for his own county's flag.

All this from the "journalist" who gives us such articles such as:

'God, guns, & rock 'n' roll'  
'China's plan to control the world'
'The governments' secret trillions'
'The U.N.'s shocking millennium agenda'
'Rediscovering our revolutionary roots'
'Speak English'
'Armed for change'

Dago, thanks for forwarding us this pile of trash. When Clinton actually GETS to Vietnam, I would expect you to come back and confirm this flag story.

And I also have serious questions for those of you that lap this stuff up so readily. When ya pull yer chute and float down to the ground in AH, these little white dots start to appear. Are you one of them?

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Dago - do yer homework here. Come back and tell us what really happened. Shouldn't be too hard, and I'll gladly eat my words (opinion of this story aside).


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« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2000, 09:11:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by -rkat-:
2 more words.......who cares?

As a Navy depenent ya damn well better believe I care.  Just one more nail in the coffin of the dems.

Kronos I could see Clinton doing something like this to further his own agenda.

Vulcan there is such a thing as taking it too far.  I can almost see the PRC flying at the same hieght as the US flag in thier territorial waters.

But I can not see, in any form, fashion, or manner, the US flag being subordinate to any other nation's flag aboard a US man of war.  It's just not right.

Hell the captain of a US man of war at sea is the most powerful man in the world.  An autonomous totalitarion 'government' with all kinds of neat things that go boom  
Personally, if I were the captain of that vessel, career be damned but billary would be getting off my boat by the quickest means possible.

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« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2000, 09:32:00 PM »
<S> Nash.
First, many of you complaining about liberal media propaganda sure seem quick to believe this kind of crap.  The same holds true of the media as does for data about A/C and weapons: always make sure your sources are reliable.  Just because somebody wrote it doesn't mean it's ture.
Secondly this is WAY OFF TOPIC.  Put it in the O' Club with all the other propaganda.
Finally, while our President wouldn't do such a thing, I would point out that the militaries of places such as Syria, Libya and Chile need to assert they're the best in the world; as long as we've got the scoreboard to point to we can be liberal with ceremonial niceties.
As long as we can reduce the other guy to a pile of smoking rubble, we might as well smile and make them feel self-important.

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« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2000, 09:54:00 PM »
 Nash. Even if this story is completely untrue. The fact that there is someone in the white house, who no one would be surprised to learn, is capable of doing such a thing. Is outrageous.

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« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2000, 12:02:00 AM »
Kinda weak easymo.

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« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2000, 02:53:00 AM »
 Im sure hillery,s lap dog would agree with you.