Author Topic: It’s true. We’ve lost the moral high ground (Read 3205 times)

Eagler · « **Reply #120 on:** September 29, 2006, 11:01:44 AM »

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Torturing or abusing prisoners for ANY reason, even to save thousands of lives, is morally reprehensible

right, sure ... you sir are in the minority with that thought for that I am sure.
if/when a major US city goes poof and it is discovered that a captive had the info but politics prevented us from getting that info and preventing the attack, this argument will long be forgotten.

Viking · « **Reply #121 on:** September 29, 2006, 11:33:10 AM »

Not "politics". Decency.

lukster · « **Reply #122 on:** September 29, 2006, 12:47:21 PM »

I agree that "civilized" nations should not sanction torture. However, I'm glad there are those willing to break our laws, perhaps sacrificing their own freedom or even life, when the lives of others may depend on it.

Viking · « **Reply #123 on:** September 29, 2006, 01:08:51 PM »

Actually I'm more inclined to say that I'd rather sacrifice my freedom or even my life to preserve our way of life, and safeguard our children's future. A future in a free society where the rights and privacy of its citizens take precedence over their safety.

Let the terrorists kill a few of us if necessary. Let them kill many of us. As long as we don't change our way of life, we win.

lukster · « **Reply #124 on:** September 29, 2006, 01:18:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Viking
Actually I'm more inclined to say that I'd rather sacrifice my freedom or even my life to preserve our way of life, and safeguard our children's future. A future in a free society where the rights and privacy of its citizens take precedence over their safety.

Let the terrorists kill a few of us if necessary. Let them kill many of us. As long as we don't change our way of life, we win.

I think that's exactly why we have troops in Iraq now.

Eagler · « **Reply #125 on:** September 29, 2006, 01:28:50 PM »

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Originally posted by Viking
Actually I'm more inclined to say that I'd rather sacrifice my freedom or even my life to preserve our way of life, and safeguard our children's future. A future in a free society where the rights and privacy of its citizens take precedence over their safety.

Let the terrorists kill a few of us if necessary. Let them kill many of us. As long as we don't change our way of life, we win.

huh?
love to hear your definition of losing if you think that is winning ..

Viking · « **Reply #126 on:** September 29, 2006, 01:37:29 PM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
huh?
love to hear your definition of losing if you think that is winning ..

Losing would be living in fear and slowly, but surely turning your country into a police state. The terrorists are winning.

Viking · « **Reply #127 on:** September 29, 2006, 01:41:08 PM »

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I think that's exactly why we have troops in Iraq now.

But you are changing your way of life. Life now is not like pre 9/11. Now people are afraid of terror (a negligible risk to their safety) and allowing their governments (plural - i.e. not only the US) to subvert their freedoms.

Eagler · « **Reply #128 on:** September 29, 2006, 01:47:34 PM »

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Losing would be living in fear and slowly, but surely turning your country into a police state. The terrorists are winning.

in your mind maybe they are, not in mine nor many others

their last victory was the morning of 9/11, they have been getting their arses kicked since

Viking · « **Reply #129 on:** September 29, 2006, 01:59:33 PM »

How do you figure?

Eagler · « **Reply #130 on:** September 29, 2006, 02:01:41 PM »

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How do you figure?

bodies - theirs vs ours

Viking · « **Reply #131 on:** September 29, 2006, 02:05:33 PM »

Really? Have you killed 3000 Al-Quada members already?

Eagler · « **Reply #132 on:** September 29, 2006, 02:15:37 PM »

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Really? Have you killed 3000 Al-Quada members already?

I haven't killed any but I am sure way more than that have bit the dust between Afghanistan and Iraq.. the lead aq nutbag in iraq stated just yesterday over 4k have been killed in iraq alone

Viking · « **Reply #133 on:** September 29, 2006, 02:24:43 PM »

EDIT: This discussion is going where the moderators probably don't want it to go. So I'll just leave it at that.

Eagler · « **Reply #134 on:** September 29, 2006, 02:59:06 PM »

this is what I was referring to:
Al-Qaida in Iraq Leader Urges 'Holy War'