Author Topic: Now that the Arenas are broken out... (Read 1543 times)

Amigo · « **on:** September 20, 2006, 02:50:31 AM »

Can the ENY limitations be done away with?

Curious what folks' take is on that. Fire away, though please keep it civil.

Premptive strike: I'm just asking a simple question, you sensitive bunch of irritated nipples.

SlapShot · « **Reply #1 on:** September 20, 2006, 08:35:10 AM »

No it can't be done away with for all the reasons why we have it.

From all the posts that I have read, I think that the ENY formula needs to be tweaked and I believe that HT and Pyro feel the same and are already looking at it and we will see a change in the near future.

DaPup · « **Reply #2 on:** September 20, 2006, 08:48:41 AM »

I agree with Slapshot, there is a need for the eny limiter. It definately needs to be tweaked but that will take some time for the arenas to settle in. HTC has already said that it will be looked at but it would be hard to make any change this close into the new arena setup.

I think the switching limitation problem should be addressed before the eny problem, if we were free to bounce from side to side without the time limits it would help settle down the eny problem.

lazs2 · « **Reply #3 on:** September 20, 2006, 09:00:28 AM »

so long as people insist on not evening up the sides then I guess something has to be done.

can you imagine a football game with 20 guys on one side a 1 on the other?

What kind of a guy would see that and then join the team with 20 players?

What kind of people are we getting in AH?

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

SlapShot · « **Reply #4 on:** September 20, 2006, 09:13:45 AM »

Someone suggested (I believe Edbert did) ... that one should be able to ALWAYS switch to a lower numbered country without the time penalty ... and I completely agree with this concept.

Team A = 50 people

Team B = 40 people

Team C = 30 people.

People from Team A could switch to Team B and Team C without the time restriction.

People from Team B could switch to Team C without the time restriction.

People from Team C could NOT switch to Team A or Team B until the time restriction has been met.

People from Team B could NOT switch to Team A until the time restriction has been met.

This would allow those who want to voluntarily help balance the arena ... do so without restriction.

Some might say ... "Well, some would jump just to get the W1N TH3 W@Rz perks".

Rubbish ... I can't ever recall a country that was outnumbered to ever get a reset ... and in grand scheme of things ... so friggin' what ... its ONLY 25 measly perks in each category ... 25 perks is chump change.

Balance or the ability to balance is the only thing that should matter.

hitech · « **Reply #5 on:** September 20, 2006, 09:21:27 AM »

Im on the low side A.

Switch to side b to find the CV.

now i can switch right back to side A

Also time limit is only 1 hour, and your country is save in each arena.

HiTech

Kev367th · « **Reply #6 on:** September 20, 2006, 09:32:16 AM »

Is there still a lower limit on the number of players before ENY starts?

As for balancing sides -
Will never ever happen, look at the attempts -

1) Perk multiplier
2) ENY restrictions
3) Lower side swap times

None really worked, so why should this new format?

All that is happening now is guys get in an arena and stay there in case they can't get back in.
So the caps are in a way contributing to the side imbalances, at least in the LW1 arena.

Was a bold move having the EW/MW/LW arenas but I think the caps are having a detrimental effect.

DaPup · « **Reply #7 on:** September 20, 2006, 09:38:51 AM »

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Originally posted by hitech
Im on the low side A.

Switch to side b to find the CV.

now i can switch right back to side A

Also time limit is only 1 hour, and your country is save in each arena.

HiTech

I'm sorry HiTech, I thought it had stayed the same as it was before.

SlapShot · « **Reply #8 on:** September 20, 2006, 09:41:48 AM »

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Originally posted by hitech
Im on the low side A.

Switch to side b to find the CV.

now i can switch right back to side A

Also time limit is only 1 hour, and your country is save in each arena.

HiTech

True ... I forgot about the CV "spying" aspect ... darn.

But its nice to hear that the time limit is now 1 hour ... thanks for that.

Edit : HT for clarification ... you are keeping track of each person's time in a country in each specific arena ?

Amigo · « **Reply #9 on:** September 20, 2006, 02:26:03 PM »

Switching sides to the "low population" side just isn't an option in my case, even though I'm prone to root for the underdogs.

1. I fly for a squad, who in turns flies as part of an Alliance of several squads. This is my absolute favorite aspect of the entire AH world. If I switch sides, I miss out on that. Convincing the entire Alliance to switch with me on a whim, to satisfy a temporary population imbalance? Ain't gonna ever happen. We're Knights, and that's that.

2. I actually enjoy simulating allegiance to Country. Sure, it's a completely ficticious country, but it's fun to be "loyal" to my country in the game and adds to the AH experience.

So if my squaddies are on a server where we outnumber the opposition, even by ridiculous numbers, that's too bad. I'll dogpile right on there. And as has happened already several times, usually I'll come into a situation where ENY is 29 and I have about 5 cruddy aircraft to choose from. Hence my curiousity about if this was going to be removed or at least highly modified from current conditions. Since the format change, I have been FAR more limited in what planes I can fly, more often. And that absolutely detracts from my enjoyment of the game.

Domin · « **Reply #10 on:** September 20, 2006, 02:33:31 PM »

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Originally posted by hitech
Im on the low side A.

Switch to side b to find the CV.

now i can switch right back to side A

Also time limit is only 1 hour, and your country is save in each arena.

HiTech

Cool only 1 hour..

Urchin · « **Reply #11 on:** September 20, 2006, 02:44:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Amigo
Switching sides to the "low population" side just isn't an option in my case, even though I'm prone to root for the underdogs.

So if my squaddies are on a server where we outnumber the opposition, even by ridiculous numbers, that's too bad. I'll dogpile right on there.nd as has happened already several times, usually I'll come into a situation where ENY is 29 and I have about 5 cruddy aircraft to choose from. Hence my curiousity about if this was going to be removed or at least highly modified from current conditions. Since the format change, I have been FAR more limited in what planes I can fly, more often. And that absolutely detracts from my enjoyment of the game.

And yet you fail to see that your behavior absolutely detracts from other's enjoyment of the game? Or do you just fail to care, in spite of your "root for the underdog" nature?

Lye-El · « **Reply #12 on:** September 20, 2006, 02:52:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Amigo

So if my squaddies are on a server where we outnumber the opposition, even by ridiculous numbers, that's too bad. I'll dogpile right on there. And as has happened already several times, usually I'll come into a situation where ENY is 29 and I have about 5 cruddy aircraft to choose from. Hence my curiousity about if this was going to be removed or at least highly modified from current conditions. Since the format change, I have been FAR more limited in what planes I can fly, more often. And that absolutely detracts from my enjoyment of the game.

It detracts from the fun of the game for the other players by getting dogpiled on also.

If They have to live with being outnumbered by ridiculous numbers, why should you not live with only being able to have ridiculous numbers in limited planes you can fly ?

Warchief · « **Reply #13 on:** September 20, 2006, 02:59:09 PM »

Here is a simple solution one that would work if done. Instead of a ENY limiter under its current situation which we all agree needs to be fixed. Listening to the never ending BS line switch side answer.

It SOLVES NOTHING IN THE LONG RUN!! People siwtch side well that side now outnumbers the other therefore more people siwtch sides more and more trying to balance everything.

Does nothing to be add confusion into the situation that is not needed. What is needed is real answers to the current problems not temporary fixes that does not solve the situation but onlay maybe for a few hours to a week at max. The simple answer is simply. Sometimes the best answer to things is the simpliest. INcrease the current arean to say 300 and limiting the amount a country can have on at one time. Each country allowed to have 100 people max within a given arena. If you were a Bish/KNight/Rook in that Arena last and that country has the max wehn you log an option pops up and tell you there is already 100 of that country on and if you would like to fly for a different country. If you click another country you log and if not you have to pick another arena. Something along those lines is simply. Now people let us here real solutions and the switch country side that has gotten old and useless and a bit stale.

Amigo · « **Reply #14 on:** September 20, 2006, 03:15:12 PM »

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Originally posted by Urchin
And yet you fail to see that your behavior absolutely detracts from other's enjoyment of the game? Or do you just fail to care, in spite of your "root for the underdog" nature?

I see. You're telling me that the artifical game mechanic of ENY can be overcome with a behavior change! Now we're getting somewhere.

It's MY bad behavior because my favorite thing in AH is flying with my Alliance buddies, and it's MY bad behavior because all 20-30 of them are not going to collectively agree to switch sides to appease a temporary population problem. Got it.

Explain to me why an artificial limiter needs to be put in place to control a "behavior", when now we're being told we can modify our behavior to overcome that same artificial limiter? A paradox, isn't it?

How about removing the artificial limiter from the equation entirely, and relying on behavior to correct imbalances then? After all, this is the complimentary inverse of your "solution". Here's how it might look:

"Hey there fellow Bishops in MW! We are getting SQUASHED in LW2, badly outnumbered, and we need immediate help or we're going to lose the late war. Please come help".

Population fixes itself, in the total absence of the Almighty ENY - The Great Equalizer.