Now that the Arenas are broken out...

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by Amigo
I see.  You're telling me that the artifical game mechanic of ENY can be overcome with a behavior change!  Now we're getting somewhere.

It's MY bad behavior because my favorite thing in AH is flying with my Alliance buddies, and it's MY bad behavior because all 20-30 of them are not going to collectively agree to switch sides to appease a temporary population problem.  Got it.

Explain to me why an artificial limiter needs to be put in place to control a "behavior", when now we're being told we can modify our behavior to overcome that same artificial limiter?  A paradox, isn't it?

How about removing the artificial limiter from the equation entirely, and relying on behavior to correct imbalances then?  After all, this is the complimentary inverse of your "solution".  Here's how it might look:  

"Hey there fellow Bishops in MW!  We are getting SQUASHED in LW2, badly outnumbered, and we need immediate help or we're going to lose the late war.  Please come help".

Population fixes itself, in the total absence of the Almighty ENY - The Great Equalizer.

Because it is better getting dogpiled by Spit Is than it is La-7s, P-38s, P-51s, P-47s, Spit 16s, ... etc.

It's called making it kinda fair and fun for all involved ... terrible concept ... right ?

I could bet the ranch if the numbers shoe was on the other foot and you were not only getting pummelled by superior numbers but they were all flying La-7s, P-38s, P-51s, P-47s, Spit 16s, ... etc ... you would sing a different tune.

Urchin hit the nail on the head but I felt compelled to reply.

[hitech]

Yes SlapShot

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Amigo
I"Hey there fellow Bishops in MW!  We are getting SQUASHED in LW2, badly outnumbered, and we need immediate help or we're going to lose the late war.  Please come help".

So you want other people to change their behavior in order to fix a problem caused by you and your friends?

Nice.

I like your proactive shoving of responsibility onto other people.

[hubsonfire]

HT, is there any interest in a setup where, unless the timer has expired, you could only go to the country with the lowest numbers? (not unlimited switching)

 I would think that would prevent the spying issues of unlimited switching, but I don't know if that would be as easy to impliment as we might think. I've seen numbers fluctuate pretty wildly within an hour.

Anyway, a 1 hour timer now is a lot better than 5. When did that change?

[hitech]

Hub reread my post on the low number switch problem with slight additions.

Im on the low side A and time has expired.

Switch to side b to find the CV.

now i can switch right back to side A even thow time limit inplace because they are low numbers

We changed it to 1 hour monday.

HiTech

[hubsonfire]

Ah, I see what you're getting at now. Short timer's probably the best compromise then.

[Urchin]

Originally posted by Amigo
I see.  You're telling me that the artifical game mechanic of ENY can be overcome with a behavior change!  

Exactly.

Originally posted by Amigo
It's MY bad behavior because my favorite thing in AH is flying with my Alliance buddies, and it's MY bad behavior because all 20-30 of them are not going to collectively agree to switch sides to appease a temporary population problem.  Got it.

Then maybe we really are getting somewhere.

Originally posted by Amigo
Explain to me why an artificial limiter needs to be put in place to control a "behavior", when now we're being told we can modify our behavior to overcome that same artificial limiter?  A paradox, isn't it?

Not as I understand the meaning of the word, no.  The "artificial limiter" was put in place to induce people to change their behavior.  That is the purpose of the "artificial limiter".

Originally posted by Amigo
How about removing the artificial limiter from the equation entirely, and relying on behavior to correct imbalances then?  After all, this is the complimentary inverse of your "solution".  Here's how it might look:  

"Hey there fellow Bishops in MW!  We are getting SQUASHED in LW2, badly outnumbered, and we need immediate help or we're going to lose the late war.  Please come help".

Population fixes itself, in the total absence of the Almighty ENY - The Great Equalizer.

Here is how the answer would probably look "Sorry man, we are DOMINATING the LW1 arena!  Weve got twice as many as the other two sides combined!  Why don't you come over here and play?"  

There is a reason the ENY exists, and it is because people wouldn't even up the sides without it.  Even then, HT & company had to dramatically lessen the effects of it as it was first implemented, because all the tears threatened to flood the planet.

[Warchief]

I dont believe that ENY shoudld be elimanted all to together but it does need to be tweeked. Everyone has listed good reasons as that it is in here. Me ENY use to never effect me due to the fact I fly mainly Hurricanes unless doing squad ops and another aircraft is needed. But I already posted something about the current ENY of the Hurricanes. My biggest issue with the ENY is this. I should have something to up that present some sort of fight aginst LALA, Spitfires (except Spit 1 & 5), and P-51s instead of being limited to Spit and Hurricane MK 1, in other words aircraft from the Early War Arena. So it needs to be tweaked but I have yet to hear a solid arguement for to be done away with altogether.

[Urchin]

You do.  You have numbers.

[Mugzeee]

Originally posted by lazs2
so long as people insist on not evening up the sides then I guess something has to be done.

can you imagine a football game with 20 guys on one side a 1 on the other?

What kind of a guy would see that and then join the team with 20 players?

What kind of people are we getting in AH?

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

    Can't imagine a football, basketball, baseball, hockey, and or a soccer game having 3 sides either.
 
 This "balance" you elude to is unattainable in a 3 sided system that leaves any front unattended.

  So for the love of stop making this comparison.

[hubsonfire]

Originally posted by Mugzeee
Can't imagine a football, basketball, baseball, hockey, and or a soccer game having 3 sides either.
 
 This "balance" you elude to is unattainable in a 3 sided system that leaves any front unattended.

  So for the love of stop making this comparison.

Actually, Mugz, that's HT's analogy. He's always going off about that "games should be fun and fair" nonsense.

[FALCONWING]

Originally posted by Mugzeee
Can't imagine a football, basketball, baseball, hockey, and or a soccer game having 3 sides either.
 
 This "balance" you elude to is unattainable in a 3 sided system that leaves any front unattended.

  So for the love of stop making this comparison.

well said sir!:aok

[lazs2]

ok... so if a game has three sides then it is fair if one side has twice the numbers?

Do you guys let go of each others hands long enough to salute?    

Do you actually defend the concept of team play IN A GAME where one team has double the numbers?

or... are you saying that if there were only two sides in AH you would support any measure in order to even up the sides?

your position is untenable.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

[DadRabit]

i disagree slapshot.  choice or the ability to choose is what matters.  seems we are losing the choice.  which brings me to ask.  where are the big maps?

S!

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by DadRabit
i disagree slapshot.  choice or the ability to choose is what matters.  seems we are losing the choice.  which brings me to ask.  where are the big maps?

S!

You haven't lost choice ... it's just been refined for you.