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Offline Holden McGroin

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« Reply #165 on: October 06, 2006, 02:25:15 PM »
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Watching it won't stop it boiling ;)


You are unfamiliar with the old saying?
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« Reply #166 on: October 06, 2006, 02:34:48 PM »
Ok.. we are making progress...  we can all pretty much go with the boiling water theory... put enough heat under it and it will boil.

What that has to do with the current global warming issue is a little vauge tho...

Do you mean that if we all held our breath or quit driving cars the water would take longer to boil?

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« Reply #167 on: October 06, 2006, 02:41:30 PM »
Actually, so long as the pressure is great enough the water won't boil but I guess that's beside the point.  ;)
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« Reply #168 on: October 06, 2006, 02:47:52 PM »
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Actually, so long as the pressure is great enough the water won't boil but I guess that's beside the point.  ;)


If you use distilled water and microwave it (causing the molecules to rub together extremely fast), it will be superheated but perfectly calm... and then introduce impurities into it (like a metal spoon), it will explode into steam.

Kinda neat. :)
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« Reply #169 on: October 06, 2006, 02:48:08 PM »
Co2 in the air should matter too but how much will someone in china holding his breath change the time it takes to boil my water?

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« Reply #170 on: October 06, 2006, 04:11:55 PM »
Bottom line is that if under a static heating, such as our sun is providing us with (we are incredibly accurately close and yet not too far etc), one needs a certain amount of warming gases (established science) to warm the sphere up. Punktum. Doesn't matter where you are, and same goes to the chinaman. If you bring the globe up to the boiling point, you'll be sharing the same bubblebath.
Rather uncomfortable.
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« Reply #171 on: October 06, 2006, 05:27:53 PM »
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Bottom line is that if under a static heating, such as our sun is providing us with


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Nasa Earth Observatory The ACRIM I instrument was the first to clearly demonstrate that the total radiant energy emanating from the sun was not a constant, and varied in proportion to solar magnetic activity. However, the sun’s output changes so slowly and solar variability is so slight (less than 0.00425% of the total energy per year on time scales of days), that continuous monitoring by state-of-the-art instrumentation is necessary to detect changes with climate significance. Scientists theorize that as much as 25% of the 20th century anticipated global warming of the Earth may be due to changes in the sun’s energy output.  
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« Reply #172 on: October 06, 2006, 05:54:58 PM »
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« Reply #173 on: October 07, 2006, 06:47:57 AM »
It's not a constant. Just very close to it...at the moment.
Eventually the sun goes wild and will gobble up our blueball before making "pop" and becoming a smallball. Another thing.
However, THE BOTTOM LINE is that with enough greenhouse gases it is possible to:

A. Warm the earths atmosphere

B. Bring it to a very hot point.


If the solar activity is up, this doesn't get better.....sad but true.
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« Reply #174 on: October 07, 2006, 09:24:48 AM »
Ok...so one chinaman not breathing should affect the time it takes to boil water right?

Is that important enough to make him stop breathing?

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« Reply #175 on: October 07, 2006, 10:07:06 AM »
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but wait... there's more...

Solar Irradiance Reconstruction

Sun more active than for a millennium

Sunspots are more frequent now than any time for 1000 years

The sun is more active now than the last 8000 years


Yeah but there's nothing we can do about the sun so what's the point in noticing it may be the cause of our slight temperature rise? No political power to be gained there. ;)
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« Reply #176 on: October 07, 2006, 10:25:34 AM »
If solar effectiveness is up, greenhouse effect means even more trouble.

And Lazs, - Chinamen would be a heck of trouble if their emissions per persons were as high as pr. US citizen ...
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« Reply #177 on: October 07, 2006, 10:28:19 AM »
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If solar effectiveness is up, greenhouse effect means even more trouble.

And Lazs, - Chinamen would be a heck of trouble if their emissions per persons were as high as pr. US citizen ...


What "trouble" might that be? I've seen a few of the disaster movies but I'm not inclined to put any faith in them.
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« Reply #178 on: October 07, 2006, 03:16:53 PM »
Lukster, - grenhouse effect is a fact. That's why people in colder areas of the globe (nothing very cold, since Holland is the record breaker in greenhouse building) build...greenhouses.
This effect can also be done with the correct gases.
If you emit enough, you will hit the effect....which is being manifested.
This may go to more than a slight "trouble", so a disaster movie scenario might actually occur.
For real-based disaster movies about things that shouldn't have happened, start with Titanic. Unsinkable...
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« Reply #179 on: October 07, 2006, 03:19:59 PM »
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Lukster, - grenhouse effect is a fact. That's why people in colder areas of the globe (nothing very cold, since Holland is the record breaker in greenhouse building) build...greenhouses.
This effect can also be done with the correct gases.
If you emit enough, you will hit the effect....which is being manifested.
This may go to more than a slight "trouble", so a disaster movie scenario might actually occur.
For real-based disaster movies about things that shouldn't have happened, start with Titanic. Unsinkable...


Ah, I missed the may or might in your earlier post. Is it not just as possible that instead of "trouble" the greenhouse effect may result in increased prosperity worldwide?
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