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Offline Krusty

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« on: September 20, 2006, 12:06:55 PM »
They should have put the DB601 on the Focke Wulf! It would have turned the tide of the war!






What? Why are you looking at me like that? What were you expecting, some post about the recent arena changes?

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« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2006, 12:14:56 PM »
the jumo 213 worked decent in the dora....

but are you saying K.T. should have made the early 190's inline engines instead of radial????
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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2006, 12:28:37 PM »
I would think, Krusty, that they made a good decision as it were. The better-performing inlines(read, DB-605-Jumo213 and up) were later war. the DB-601 was limited to about 1000-1200 H.P. The BMW 801 used in the early FW-190 started at about 1400. add into that, the 190 airframe was built to use an aircooled radial...you did'nt have the additional drag of the radiator, nor the vulnerability of one. You can see in AH that this is a weakness of the inline engined planes in the game. I would thing that with either a wing, or ventral mounted radiator, the drag offsets what you gain over that big ol' round corncob on the front. Not to mention, the radial is making more power to begin with.

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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2006, 01:06:30 PM »
[SIZE=12]Touche Krusty [/SIZE]
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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2006, 01:27:34 PM »
Mussie: lol

Froede, the early BMWs had that potential, but never really manifested that much power. There were engine problems with cooling, and boost, and lots of other issues.

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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2006, 01:40:27 PM »
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i want to[SIZE=12]Touch Krusty [/SIZE]
 



dude??! :huh
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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2006, 01:52:13 PM »
Well... The first impression is usually the correct one, at least in the eye of the reader, right B@finkV,? :D

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« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2006, 02:58:12 PM »
Truth be told it's not an uncommon reaction on Mussie's part. :t :p

However, unless Mussie is the gameID for a very hot female gamer, I can't say it will ever happen ;)

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« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2006, 04:46:37 PM »
Krusty, The aviation history online museum stated that Max HP for the BMW 801 as used in the FW-190A-8 is 1,700 H.P. the DB605, as used in the 109G series, is rated at 1,475. The 601 is more like 1,150. Plus, Due to ME-109, Me-110, and other applications, the supply of DB engines were already strained.

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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2006, 04:58:20 PM »
Oh, to be sure! the BMW radial produced more raw HP later in the war, but in, say, 1941 and early 1942, it wasn't so reliable, as compared to the in-line DB600 series.

Imagine if they'd put the in-line in with a 109F streamlined nose? Without the Junkers' large radial housing it would have been much more streamlined.

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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2006, 05:06:14 PM »
Streamlining mightof come close to make up for the disparity in HP, But I would have to wonder what it would have done to the Center of Gravity. The 190 is hard enough to turn as it is.

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« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2006, 07:46:19 PM »
Keep in mind the 190 had problems with the CoG as it was. They had to move the nose forward 6 inches, and even then had to move the centerline racks forward to balance it out. When the aux tank was added to the A-8 it further unbalanced it. I think a longer nose to move the CoG forward would only have helped

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« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2006, 09:14:26 PM »
Your a Bad Bad Man Batty :p

As for what mussie stands for.... Just think of Danny Devito if he was 6ft with a beard.... :)

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« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2006, 09:19:41 PM »
the supply of those inline engines used in the early 109s and JU88s was very limited which is why they designed the 190 around a radial.

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« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2006, 12:25:13 PM »
Exactly.

Not to mention KT, was very intimate with the design and performance characteristics of the Howard Hughs racer of the thirties, resulting in the design of an modern fighter around the existing radial engine technology, coupled with a streamline fusalage and wide stable undercarriage.

Not to mention the BMW provided an massive, (radiator free) shield for the pilot against the head on attack (<
Great plane.  Good topic Krusty.
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