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Offline AquaShrimp

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« on: September 20, 2006, 06:48:52 PM »
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The Typhoons (2 of them coded AA and AC from 17Sqn) were originally there purely for EW testing work on an indefinate detachment. However due to the fact the USAF have nothing that can give it a run for its money at any range, they have been paying the RAF for the Typhoons to provide dissimilar combat training for the F-22.

In WVR the Typhoon is currently winning the majority of engagements as they are almost equal in manouverability terms (f-22 superior in instantaneous) however Typhoon is carrying hobs where as F-22 currently is not. Giving it a major advantage. Once (if ever) F-22 gets hobs, things should be pretty even.

Also the F-22 is winning the vast majority (but not all) of the BVR engagements. Which is as expected. However, on atleast one occasion the Typhoon has been reported to have detected, tracked and locked an F-22 at 80km! It is believed that the F-22 was carrying external tanks at the time though.
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« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2006, 06:52:48 PM »
Its whos behind the stick, not the stick. ;)
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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2006, 07:02:32 PM »
Sounds cool, I look forward to hearing about how Red Flag develops with these two sweet fighters in the air.
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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2006, 07:38:51 PM »
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Its whos behind the stick, not the stick. ;)


then the US should be able to go back to F5s or F86s I suppose.
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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2006, 08:02:27 PM »
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then the US should be able to go back to F5s or F86s I suppose.
If given a strictly air to air environment, we'd whoop em. :)
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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2006, 08:09:49 PM »
Given the same generation fighters, flown by *competent pilots, the determining factor in an air-to-air engagement is something known as the 'unseen fighter'.

Example:  Two F-4s are engaged with two Mig-21s.  If another Mig-21 were to join the fight, that side would likely win.  Conversely, if an F-4 were to sneak into the fight, that side would win.

*The pilots dont have to be the best, just competent to fly and fight in the plane.

Source: The Air War over Vietnam.
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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2006, 08:14:53 PM »
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Given the same generation fighters, flown by *competent pilots, the determining factor in an air-to-air engagement is something known as the 'unseen fighter'.

Example:  Two F-4s are engaged with two Mig-21s.  If another Mig-21 were to join the fight, that side would likely win.  Conversely, if an F-4 were to sneak into the fight, that side would win.

*The pilots dont have to be the best, just competent to fly and fight in the plane.

Source: The Air War over Vietnam.


Superior pilot training will win an outnumbered engagement.
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« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2006, 08:21:48 PM »
Not if one of the superior pilots is engaged by an unseen enemy aircraft and destroyed before he has a chance to use his superior training.
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« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2006, 08:22:31 PM »
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Not if one of the superior pilots is engaged by an unseen enemy aircraft and destroyed before he has a chance to use his superior training.

So that explains our 3.7 to 1 kill ratio in 'Nam. Thanks! :aok
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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2006, 08:27:22 PM »
Whatever you all want to debate about it sounds exactly like the F22 and the typhoon are doing what they are supposed to.

The latter being more manuverable than the raptor but sacrificing stealth.  

The outcome should be as predictable as this is.

What some of rip says holds merit though, no matter what you employ they are never as good as the tactics that you use.  However stealth engagement is designed to limit WVR and thus ACM tactics.  If a pilot can "plink" off his targets with superior weaponry without even being seen (what the raptor does best) then the tactics dictate he do just that.

Although fully capabable, using the F22 at WVR is wasting much of it's usfullness, IE stealth.  Against most fighters it can hold it's own but then again modern air combat usually doesn't result in a single fighter paired up against another single fighter.
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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2006, 08:36:46 PM »
if anyone has any sick video's of the typhoon, please post em up here
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« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2006, 08:42:31 PM »
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Not if one of the superior pilots is engaged by an unseen enemy aircraft and destroyed before he has a chance to use his superior training.


And when Stealth Pigs fly outta my asss we won't have probs with Iran now would we?

Geez where do we pick up N00bs like this Aquashrimpchit?

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« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2006, 08:50:21 PM »
what is "hobs"
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« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2006, 09:12:03 PM »
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what is "hobs"
High Off Boresite System. Targeting aquistion.
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« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2006, 10:54:25 PM »
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High Off Boresite System. Targeting aquistion.


Kinda like JHCMCS

Joint helmut mounted cueing system.
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