"undefended"

[Reynolds]

Originally posted by soupcan
perhaps the capture guys should start calling out their intentions
on 200: "hey enemies we are hitting A17, ETA 12 min, see the dar bar,
               that's us.your base will flash shortly".

Nope. Tried that. Twice. First time I brought a group of 17s, told them my altitude, exact location, target, eta and direction. Only one FW showed up to intercept. Tried it again in a P-40 (looking for a quick furball to test my skills) gave em a 5 minute warning, altitude, target, everything. Still no one showed up to intercept. COME ON!!! If your enemy gives you altitude, ETA, direction, and plane type, and you STILL dont try to stop them, you have no Golly-geened excuse!!! lol. Sorry, its just too funny. And the first one (the B-17 one) was in the middle of the day, in the old MA, and it was a zone base we were hitting too. I even offered to throttle back so the defenders could get altitude on me.

[Grits]

Originally posted by Cooley
^ and thats straight from  members of the self anoited guru's of AH
We hate to see them get thier panties in a wad,
so listen up soup!  

I'm glad to see folks are begining to acknowledge our rightful place in Aces High.

[SkyRock]

Originally posted by Grits
I never saw that complaint. The complaint I saw was when toolsheddars drop the hangars at a base (or CV) where a furball is originating from, with no intention of taking the base, only to ruin the fun. Good fights come out of a determined base capture attempt and the defense that comes with it.

Although, given the choice, I would prefer toolsheddars go after undefended bases rather than killing the FH's at a furball base they dont intend to take.

Well said!:aok

[storch]

classic example.  last night.  there was fight from a cv just north of A53 and from all reports a good fight.  what drew me to it was big red little green dar bar.  I try to up from 53 but it was being vultched so instead I up from 52.  I get to 53 and get ganged 10+ v 1.  I did the unthinkable, I upped JU88s and attempted to sink the CV.  in the process of my CV annihilation program I was scolded (and rightly so) by fellow furballers from the gender confused squad, the BKs.

mars01 took the lead in shifting the fight from A52 to another nearby base leaving the antpile to do what they do at 53.  no later than five minutes into a nice and highly competetive furball rife with decent fights and taunts on 200. BAM the griefers take out the fighter hangers.  

mars01 again calls for the fight to switch this time from A60 to A53, the flight time was longer but still about a sector away.  the irony is that once the griefers saw no one was paying them any mind they abandoned the initially A53 project, preferring to disrupt a perfectly good furball.

it dawns on me that the raison d'etre for these players is to simply annoy.  deep down they all want to be reasonably competent furballers but they don't want to pay thier dues by flying and dying as inevitably we all must.

I experienced an epiphany last night.  I want to thank you mars01 for taking the lead in those fights and keeping them fluid.  I'm looking forward to finding you in air on an opposing side again.  I had fun I'm sure others did as well, good boy you get a milk bone.

[lazs2]

storchita nailed it....  the gripe is against both the griefers and the milkrunners...   they are not exactly the same all the time but...

they are at least.... kindred spirits.

the incident was as described...  the mega squad girls decided that they could add their weight and turn a good fite into a milkrun..

The BK's and some others from both sides talked on 200 and agreed to leave the mess to the milkrunners who had ruined it in any case...

We had a good fight but the griefers found us and killed FH's for no reason... we moved on.

We don't need the whorde or the griefers... they need us... we didn't stalk them... they stalked us..

The best part was..... never (or hardly never) before could we do much about it... the new HT arenas had us all talking with the enemy and making our own fun.  

Never before has the bad behavior of these others been so apparent or held in such scorn....

I think that will do it.  I think the community will shame them into cleaning up their act.

If not... at least now we can ignore them more eaisily and go have fun at another base.

What must seem funny to more people than a few tho is that...  the mega squad both deny and brag about such bad behavior..... often in the same breath.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

[Grits]

Well said Storch.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by soupcan
ahh.. the latest phrase in the continued tradition of scorning
any style of gameplay that does not solely involve "furballing"...........

"undefended base taking milk-runners" lol.

correct me if i'm wrong but weren't there many posts not long ago
that complained ....
                              "everytime the landgrabing toolsheders see
                                a large dar bar they decide that's the base
                                to capture, and  ruin the furball"

so now if the "landgrabing toolsheders" try to take bases without
a dar bar they are "milkrunners".

how is one to know whether the target will up a defence or not?

perhaps the capture guys should start calling out their intentions
on 200: "hey enemies we are hitting A17, ETA 12 min, see the dar bar,
               that's us.your base will flash shortly".

defend your base or loose it. if the capture/defence part of game holds
no interest for you then the loss of a base shouldn't bother you.

i am now "ducking and covering" just like i learned in school.

Since you appear to be relatively new I'll explain what a milk runner is.

A Milk runner is a someone that takes the least path of resistance...i.e. the easy way out.  They will only attack bases that are not being defended and as soon as opposition starts to take off to defend said base, the milk runner will then move to another base that is not being actively defended.  These players will not attack a base that is being defended even if it is only a sole defender holding down the fort.


ack-ack

[hubsonfire]

Where does the term "milkrun" first appear in reference to attack missions?

I was looking through some webpage or other, discussing RAF missions into France, IIRC, and there were some snippets from the AARs, and some Mosquito missions had been tagged as milkruns. I wonder if that meant simple harassment missions against undefended targets, or just flying into radar coverage in the wee hours of the morning to keep the interceptors and ground control guessing, or what exactly? I know it's become a popular quip in AH, but does it have a real context outside of it?

[Ack-Ack]

It was a reference for easy targets that the attackers didn't expect to meet heavy resistance.  


ack-ack

[Reynolds]

Here are the problems I am seeing: Regular fighters will be seen as milkrunners, becuase:

1) There are not nearly enough people to defend even half the bases we have

2) People dont really know the definition of 'Milkrunner', and ack-ack kindly cleared it up


But there is also the whorde problem, and that will always be around because:

1) Everyone wants to fight where there is someone else to clean his six. I do. I always go where the good sized dar bars are, because thats where I can find kills, and still have a friendly to clean my six if worse comes to worst.

2) If there is large red dar bar and a small green, friendlies will come, and whorde, because they want to help out friends (Assuming they are the mature, adult part of the game's populace, because they seem to understand teamwork more than others) and when friendly numbers are down, they will come in and bolster the friendly count, not caring if they completely Cap that grid. Ive seen an aircraft carrier capped much this way. They didnt sink it, didnt take out the ack, instead we had a lot of pilots just hovering over the CV waiting for someone to launch, because they had already shot down everyone in the air.


So yeah, for most of us, myself included, complaining about either of these things is hipocracy. Not callin y'all hipocrits, only you know if you are being one.