Sec of state upheld

[1776]

Now the lawyers are off to the supreme court(democrats all,ya know).

If the Supremes overturn the lower court the rule of law is no more in the US

[Ripsnort]

Here is a copy of the actual ruling today that upholds the Florida Secretary of State decision to NOT include the had counted ballots. If this ruling holds, George W. Bush will be declared President tomorrow.                

 

Leon County Circuit Court Judge Terry Lewis ruled Friday morning that  Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris does not have to accept late hand-counted votes in the presidential election. The full text of his ruling follows:

Order Denying Emergency Motion to Compel Compliance With and for Enforcement of Injunction  The limited issue before me on this Motion is whether the Secretary of State has violated my Order of November 14, 2000. The Plaintiffs assert that she has acted
arbitrarily in deciding to ignore amended returns from counties conducting manual                     recounts. I disagree.

As noted in my previous Order, Florida law grants to the Secretary, as the Chief                     Elections Officer, broad discretionary authority to accept or reject late filed returns.

The purpose and intent of my Order was to insure that she in fact properly                     exercised her discretion, rather than automatically reject returns that came in after the statutory deadline.

On the limited evidence presented, it appears that the Secretary has exercised her                     reasoned judgment to determine what relevant factors and criteria should be considered, applied them to the facts and circumstances pertinent to the individual counties involved, and made her decision. My Order requires nothing more.

Accordingly, it is ORDERED AND ADJUDGED that the Motion is hereby denied.

DONE AND ORDERED in Chambers at Tallahassee, Leon County, Florida, this 17th day of November, 2000.

Terry P. Lewis, Circuit Judge

[CavemanJ]

Going to be interesting to see how the FL supreme court rules on this one.  You KNOW Gore is banking on most of them being democrats.  And if they overturn the decision, as 1776 said, the law becomes worthless in the US.

Yesterday, the FL supreme court ruled on petitions from PBC about Harris' descision to not accept the amended hand counted tallies:

"In its unanimous order Thursday, the state Supreme Court wrote: “We have considered the petition and it appears that the relief sought on the question of whether the canvassing board may conduct a manual recount of the votes cast for president and vice president has been answered in the affirmative in the Circuit Courts of Leon and Palm Beach County.
       “At present this is binding legal authority on this issue and there is no legal impediment to the recounts continuing. Thus, petitioners are authorized to proceed with the manual recount.”"

Totally side stepping the issue.

Any odds on the FL supreme court refusing to hear Gore's appeal out of hand?  They already cited the circuit courts of Leon county to be the ruling authority, and it was the Leon county circuit which upheld Harris' decision today.

Sounds like someone's got a case of being a sore looser to me  

[Mighty1]

This is getting to funny.

The Demos are now saying that the judge that said Harris is doing everything right didn't understand his own judgement. They are saying that the Supreme court knows more about what he meant than he does.

I'm wondering what comes next. Soon they will start saying that Bush really didn't intend to become president.

[LJK Raubvogel]

It's time to stop the insanity. I'm surprised Johnny Cochran hasn't shown up yet. Maybe they should let Judge Judy decide.

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LJK_Raubvogel
LuftJägerKorps

[Ripsnort]

Here's the real irony of the whole situation:

Alan Gersewitz(sp), a defense Lawyer for the O.J.Simpson case, now resides on Gore's legal
'Ream Team'....so 2 days ago they try their typical liberal tactic of trying to defame and drag a person thru the mud as to disconcern anything this person has to say..in this case its Harris.  Alan calls Harris 'A  Crook'...HOW IRONIC!!!

[Ripsnort]

 

[Gunthr]

Shouldn't this be in the Hardware/Software section?   hehehe

Old Uncle Sam needs some Viagra.

Al Gore needs some Lie-agra.

Gunthr

[Apache]

“If she does go forward, we will take steps to have her action set aside or reversed,” Gore representative Warren Christopher said after Leon County Circuit Judge Terry Lewis rejected the Gore campaign’s effort to force Harris to consider adding hand recount totals to statewide election results.
       
In other words. If Bush wins the election, the Gore crowd will go to court to attempt to reverse the "will of the people" in its election of a United States President. This is getting ridiculous.

[Udie]

 The florida supreme court just ordered her not to certify the vote tomarrow    They scheduled a hearing for 2pm monday to hear gore's arguments.  Looks like our 14th amendment rights are about to be toejam upon.  

 Isn't the Secretary of State part of the Executive branch?   Isn't there such a thing as seperation of powers where one branch of government can't control another branch?  Isn't that in the US constitution? Doesn't that take precidence over any state's constitution?  Doesn't every elected official have to swear to uphold and defend the constitution of the United States of America?

 When this is all over and done with do you guys think they'll name it CWII? or just Civil War?  If they bend the rules/laws for Gore, why should I obey any law? Seriously why should any of us?   If the supreme court of florida allows gore to steel this election the rule of law is dead.  Then I think it will be time to send all members of the government into retirement and start over.  Good God this realy infuriates me.

 I'm actualy contemplating using my 2nd amendment right for the first time. Talked to pop the other day and he's gonna get me a gun for Christmas.  I saw a realy nice ar-15 at a pawnshop the other day.  I think it's time to start getting ready. But don't worry guys only 25% of us feel the way I do, wait maybe that is something to worry about...


Udie

[Yeager]

Udie,

Only 4% of the colonialists participated in the first war of independance  

Yeager

[CavemanJ]

Udie what do you expect from a panel of democrats.  Frankly I'm surprised they dinnae outright order her to add the handcount tallies to the certified count.  But I guess that would've been too blatant, and Gore wants to maintain some semblance of maintaining the laws.

Dark, dark days loom ahead.  I'll spend the weekend cleaning and oiling.  Ain't no way I'm gonna be caught unprepared.

[LJK Raubvogel]

What is very disturbing to me is that the Judicial branch is there for a reason. It serves as the ultimate check and balance. It's SUPPOSED to be the unbiased branch to settle partisan disputes involving the other branches, if need be. When a case deeply rooted in party politics is decided by a panel consisting of 6 Democrats and an Independent, I get deeply suspicious, and very disenchanted with our legal system.

Something stinks in Florida, and it's not the Everglades.

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LJK_Raubvogel
LuftJägerKorps

[Nash]

 

"Dark, dark days loom ahead. I'll spend the weekend cleaning and oiling. Ain't no way I'm gonna be caught unprepared." - Cave

Lol! Man yer guns!!

You come from a state where a quarter of a million more people voted for Gore. It's as big a margin in that one state alone as in the entire country. It's also Lieberman's home state, where in the Senate election he beat his republican foe by a two to one margin.

Don't lose any sleep waiting for the revolution up there Cave - get out and enjoy the fall season.. take a walk or something  

[1776]

Let's see here, Secretary of State, elected by the will of the people.  Legislature elected by the will of the people.  Laws passed by the legislator by the will of the people.  Secretary of State upholds those laws enacted by the will of the people.

Have I got it right so far?

Ok, how do the supremes fit in this equation??

Oh, ya, they are the ones who tell all the others they don't know what the hell they are doing!!!!

 

[This message has been edited by 1776 (edited 11-18-2000).]