Author Topic: 767 goes down in Queens, New York (Read 1904 times)

mora · « **Reply #30 on:** November 13, 2001, 12:11:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Dinger:
Could be Darkstar, but fuel doesn't normally explode in a liquid state; so you need to have a tank with fumes in it. The (Silk Air?) 737 and TWA 800 (center tank just at empty, 120 degrees or so F. inside) that had fuel tank explosions met that criteria, but here we'd have to posit that an A300 at takeoff on a reasonably long flight had a wing tank near empty.

There are different theories about both of those accidents: http://www.webpak.net/~skydream/

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From Airline Safety Website:
In the aftermath of the crash, hundreds of witnesses claimed to seen a missile head toward the aircraft. Some witnesses claimed to have seen more than one such sighting. Some of these witnesses were as reliable as any on the planet. Yet they were officially disbelieved with a prejudice which is staggering to any reasonable person's imagination. Trusted forensic science corroborates the witness observations. Strangely, despite the extreme reliability of some of the witnesses, or the sheer quantity, their testimony was bypassed by all federal agencies. The immediate question becomes, "How can hundreds of witnesses ALL be wrong???"

But we dont believe in conspiracy theories..

indian · « **Reply #31 on:** November 13, 2001, 12:18:00 AM »

The engine falling off more then likely was only a part of the crash. these big planes are made with shear pins that snap and allow the engine to fall rather than take the plane with it. They are in whats called the pylon area and the pylon goes with the engine when it brakes off. Severe vibratons can cause them to shear, as when a massive bird strike happens. I never worked on the A300 so dont know anything about it. The engines are same as 767 300's.

mora · « **Reply #32 on:** November 13, 2001, 12:37:00 AM »

Yeah, now it looks like the vertical stabilizer came off first, as it was found in the bay about a mile from the crash site. Photo on CNN shows that it was sheared off cleanly at the base, without any external damage.

StSanta · « **Reply #33 on:** November 13, 2001, 12:46:00 AM »

Phew, am happy Hangtime and Bohica are all right. This is bad enough as it is.

Creamo · « **Reply #34 on:** November 13, 2001, 03:09:00 AM »

Piss off speculators.

mora · « **Reply #35 on:** November 13, 2001, 06:35:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Creamo:

Piss off speculators.

What a nice contribution to this topic.

Btw, whats wrong with speculation?
I don't see how the very sad fact that so many people lost their lives should keep us from discussing about it.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #36 on:** November 13, 2001, 07:37:00 AM »

Editted comments...don't know why, he never held back.

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Kieran · « **Reply #37 on:** November 13, 2001, 07:59:00 AM »

Ignore list only stops private messages. Besides, cut Creamo a bit of slack here; he is a little closer to this than most of us.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #38 on:** November 13, 2001, 08:01:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Kieran:
he is a little closer to this than most of us.

That certainly worries me.

Creamo · « **Reply #39 on:** November 13, 2001, 11:28:00 AM »

I’m a bit frustrated by the current events. Can’t say I want another company tribute newsletter that takes 2 full damn pages to honor the dead. What can you do?

However, in a hundred inebriated posts, I can never match such a simple sentence of hate and animosity for a given situation, typed out of pure stupidity by you Ripsnort.

What you need to do is not worry about me, but think long and hard how someone can tweak you so bad on a message board, you will make reference to deaths of hundreds and maliciously infer my job responsibilities worrying you.

You old sad fool.

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Toad · « **Reply #40 on:** November 13, 2001, 12:04:00 PM »

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and maliciously infer my job responsibilities worrying you.

Pot, kettle.

Kettle, pot.

How's it going there Cowboy?

Ripsnort · « **Reply #41 on:** November 13, 2001, 12:07:00 PM »

Creamo, I could pull countless posts up by you to this community that would make anything you say in sensitivity a non-factor.

Sit down, re-evalutate your attitude, then post.

SOB · « **Reply #42 on:** November 13, 2001, 03:48:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Sit down, re-evalutate your attitude, then post.

Did Toad say something about a pot and a kettle? Seems to apply here too. Remember, you're not representing the community when you insult Creamo, so to do so makes you no better than when he insults you, particularly at a time like this. Get off the horse.

SOB

-edit- PS...Toad - put the gun down cowboy!

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Eagler · « **Reply #43 on:** November 14, 2001, 07:36:00 AM »

How did the tail fall off into the bay? Did it go b4 the engines? And both engines fell off?? Blocks from the crash site?

sounds fishy...

Either very poor servicing or sabatoge. I think the gov will try to supress it if it is the latter.

Hangtime · « **Reply #44 on:** November 14, 2001, 09:30:00 AM »

Geese. Uncontained catastrophic engine failure. Shredded wing tanks, possible loss of hydralic controls. Fuel leaks. Eventual explosion of fuel takes wing off.. spin air stresses takes off tail and last engine.

The 15-25 pound Canada geese are ALL over this area at this time of year.. I've seen huge numbers of 'em on the dune areas down by the beaches, they especially like the grass verges on the edges of the runways on ALL the airports around here.

My guess... accident. Not terrorisim, not sabatoge. But it's just a guess. All those souls lost... damn.