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Offline Boroda

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« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2001, 12:18:00 PM »
GH, please define yourself: are you an American, Yugoslavian or Croatian? It's mandatory for a nazi to identify his nationality.

Tell us once again that the deportation of 350000 ethnic Serbs was a good idea. You can thank the US again for backing up Croatian zondercommanden.

Yes, I am proud of my Uncle, and hope he saved many lifes in Vietnam.

I am happy about the change of relations between Russia and US, but I still have some questions to the US government:

1) When Clinton, Allbright and other gangsters will be under trial for supporting terrorism in Kosovo?

2) When mr. Powell will finaly state that US unconditionaly supports Russian anti-terrorist operation in Chechnya?

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« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2001, 02:52:00 PM »
Ah; once again; all the usual suspects have checked in..

..and as usual, we got all the stock knee-jerked indignant rebuttals.

We really need to empanel this group for a '10 questions' moderated (HA!) discussion.

I mean; chit; ain't nothin good on TV!  :D
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« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2001, 03:01:00 PM »
Boroda dont deny it. You have to know and agree that dowding is a misguided fool. If he doesnt like what the people of the fre world including his own country does then he can move somewhere else. I seems he would like a place like lets see china no afghanastan yes, yes that might be a good place.


p.s. Boroda i never knew russians could be so damn funny not only in that interview but in many others ive see on the sattelite.

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« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2001, 05:04:00 PM »
Yes Boroda everyone does "genocide" except Serbs and communist era Russians (especially under Stalin), we all know the real perpetrator of all genocide is the USA.........


Idiot!

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« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2001, 05:28:00 PM »
I was taking the piss, Grunherz, with the 'I hate America' comment. S-A-R-C-A-S-M. Get a damned clue. You see the world in shades of black and white; you're either one thing or the other.

Criticism must mean hate, praise must mean love?

Texter - do some searches on the internet. Gen up on Iraq. The embargo IS on humanitarian aid.

1) It HAS killed half a million kids

2) It HAS supplied Saddam with a stick to beat the West.

3) It HAS hardened Middle Eastern opinions regarding Western involvement over Iraq. They ALL detest the guy, but are angry over the treatment of Iraqi people.

Udie - I know it must be comforting to believe anyone who holds an opinion different to yours is either a) brain-washed; b) communist; c) both, but it simply isn't true.

To believe that the country you hold citizenship with is above criticism, incapable of making mistakes AND good natured in *every* policy is naive in the extreme. Its also not supported by the facts.

 
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Opinions are like amazinhunks everyone has one dowding?

Your incisive wit simply takes my breath away. Surely you must be a writer for the Simpsons?
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« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2001, 06:48:00 PM »
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Texter - do some searches on the internet. Gen up on Iraq. The embargo IS on humanitarian aid.

No, it is not. The fact that searches find places that say it is ill.uminates only the reading comprehension part of the program. Example for the clueless; without searching I'll wager I can find a page that says hitler isn't dead but is living in South America. I suppose you'll tell me that page is true because it's on the Internet?

Short answer, I've read the crap spewed by anti-americans in more places than the Internet and most times they remind me of eddie Haskell telling Mrs. Beaver that the Beav will be O! K! with him around watching over things.

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« Reply #21 on: November 17, 2001, 07:12:00 PM »
OK Dowding we here in the evil USA are making a big mistake in Iraq...... (right,  :rolleyes: )

Anyway since you obviously know better tell us how the USA should have handled Saddam in the past few years.

BTW please answer this question and try not to avoid it or change the subject. (I know ull try to change the subject, so take this as a friendly reminder)

Ok remember answer above question....

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« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2001, 06:29:00 AM »
Texter - I'm talking about recognised non governmental organisations or international groups such as UNICEF. Not some bloke with a website, an agenda and time on his hands.

Saddam is certainly to blame for most of Iraq's problems, but the embargo is idiotic at best. And they have been a significant factor in the increase in mortality rate since the embargo began.

I did you a favour and searched the internet for the UNICEF report I mentioned earlier:

Results of the 1999 Iraq Child and Maternal Mortality Surveys

BBC report on how Saddam is capitalising on the embargo

Report on US's recognition of ineffectiveness of Embargo

lol Grunherz. I don't see why I should be under any compulsion to explain anything to you, after the crap you spewed about me in several other threads. I've no intention with dignifying your posts wth an answer anymore. You're not worth the time or effort.

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« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2001, 08:10:00 AM »
So in other words you have no idea about a better way to deal with Saddam, you can just squeak about how you think the evil USA is going about murdering children...

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« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2001, 01:44:00 AM »
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Texter - do some searches on the internet. Gen up on Iraq. The embargo IS on humanitarian aid.


Since you can't seem to understand what you read I'll repost your own words here. Now go look at those pretty links you posted and refute my contention that you're wrong. I've read them. Have you?

clue: HUMANITARIAN!!!

Now, when we get on the same page, we MIGHT can have a logical discussion about why embargoes typically don't work. Think you can get there little tomato?

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« Reply #25 on: November 19, 2001, 03:33:00 AM »
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« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2001, 08:01:00 AM »
HEY!

I just wanted to state the televised school kid interaction with the Presidents of the two most powerful countries in the world was a real joy to watch and experience.

Now get off my thread and start ur own!  :)
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« Reply #27 on: November 19, 2001, 11:04:00 AM »
Texter - do ANY research into the subject and you'll find that the sanctions are a de facto HUMANITARIAN embargo. DE FACTO. It is illegal to import or export anything (including medical aid or foodstuffs), outside the oil-for-food programme (which is wholely inadequate). Here's why it is a humanitarian embargo by another name:

In 1990, UN Security Council Resolution 661 was invoked, which prohibited the import or export of anything except foodstuff or medical goods. But considering 90% of Iraq's income came from oil exports, there was no practicable way for humanitarian aid to be bought.

In 1991, after the UN's own reports showed massive suffering inside Iraq, Resolutions 706 and 712 were passed. These allowed Iraq to sell $1.6 billion of oil every six months.

Now, the UN then deducted 40% of that amount in war reparations and UN expenses. This left less than half of the $3.6 billion the UN itself estimated the country needed as the minimum emergency needs. A tiny amount compared to the $22 billion required to build Iraq's infrastructure.

Saddam, in his wisdom, rejected this offer.

So the people of Iraq have been subject to wholly political wranglings between one slightly deranged dictator and the supposed representative of modern civilisation.

In 1996, the situation was reviewed and a new package drawn up. Iraq was permitted to sell $1 billion of oil over a 90-day (renewable) period in order to buy humanitarian supplies. All proceeds from such sales will be placed in a UN-controlled bank account, to which Iraq has no access. Of the $4 billion of revenues over one year, 30 percent will go towards reparations for the Gulf war, 15 percent will go towards humanitarian supplies for 3 million Kurds in northern Iraq, 5-10 percent will pay for UN operations in Iraq, and 5-10 percent will cover repair and maintenance of the oil pipelines--leaving about $1.6 billion for Iraq's remaining population of 18 million, less than $7.50 per person every month.

The various UN agencies have estimated that Iraq needs to import almost $4 billion per year in food and medicine alone - more than twice the amount allocated to humanitarian needs under the food-for-oil-deal.  

Meanwhile, those wanting to donate humanitarian supplies outside the food-for-oil deal (such as NGOs, individuals etc) are at risk of prosecution. This is particularly true in the US.
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« Reply #28 on: November 19, 2001, 12:31:00 PM »
Good.

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« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2001, 03:27:00 AM »
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Texter - do ANY research into the subject and you'll find that the sanctions are a de facto HUMANITARIAN embargo. DE FACTO.

Let's hear you say it then. "I was wrong" You can do it.

You do understand that you said earlier it was an embargo and finally admitted just now it wasn't REALLY an embargo but, according to you, APPEARS to be an embargo. (context my man, context)

as for the rest of your argument....

I have trouble finding any sympathy for Iraqis. Call it a personal fault or failure.

Tex
one question though, it's a UN plan but the US's fault? just checking...

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