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« Reply #45 on: October 01, 2006, 03:08:22 PM »
Is it this that some find so corrupting of our Constitution?

"The bill's most shocking feature is its elimination of habeas corpus review for non-U.S. citizen detainees. Triggered the moment that the executive labels an individual as an enemy combatant"

If our constitution applied to non citizens we would have to invade many countries immediately where people are denied our constitutional rights every day. What a bunch of irrational lunatics.

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« Reply #46 on: October 01, 2006, 03:28:44 PM »
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So what's the objectionable section?
WTF? Go and ****** read it for yourself, then come back and discuss it if you think it's worth it, otherwise drop it.

Or I'll really start to believe that my TV remote got more brainpower than you do...


***** trolls....

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« Reply #47 on: October 01, 2006, 03:31:56 PM »
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WTF? Go and ****** read it for yourself, then come back and discuss it if you think it's worth it, otherwise drop it.

Or I'll really start to believe that my TV remote got more brainpower than you do...


***** trolls....


Troll? I'm not the one who started this thread or the one complaining about our constitution being destroyed. When you make these kind of claims it's up to you to provide the basis for your accusation. you haven't read and probably don't even know why some are finding it objectionable I'd be willing to bet. You're just jumping on for the ride.

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« Reply #48 on: October 01, 2006, 03:54:09 PM »
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Troll? I'm not the one who started this thread or the one complaining about our constitution being destroyed. When you make these kind of claims it's up to you to provide the basis for your accusation. you haven't read and probably don't even know why some are finding it objectionable I'd be willing to bet. You're just jumping on for the ride.


Ok, you need some help. Read the first three posts in this thread.
If you still have trouble after that, the best I can advise you is to click on the link bellow. It may prove helpful to your kind...

http://www.starfall.com/

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« Reply #49 on: October 01, 2006, 03:58:02 PM »
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Ok, you need some help. Read the first three posts in this thread.
If you still have trouble after that, the best I can advise you is to click on the link bellow. It may prove helpful to your kind...

http://www.starfall.com/


So, you object to the president interpreting the geneva convention? You think that by applying his own understanding to this he is therefore no longer accountable for his actions? What nonsense.

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« Reply #50 on: October 01, 2006, 07:21:51 PM »
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So, you object to the president interpreting the geneva convention? You think that by applying his own understanding to this he is therefore no longer accountable for his actions? What nonsense.


OK, what a heck, I got few spare minutes.

You see, long time ago somebody came out with “Separation of Powers” concept. Yeah I know, stupid idea. So we got our government split into 3 branches. Their powers are described in articles 1-3 of Constitution.
Executive branch and presidency are defined in article 2. Clause 5 of article 2 says: ‘The President must take care that the laws be faithfully executed’ and not “to interpret” the laws.
President’s interpretation of the laws is not defined in itself, but Hamilton once wrote:
“The interpretation of the laws is the proper and peculiar province of the courts,” (that is Judicial branch) and “It therefore belongs to them to ascertain its meaning, as well as the meaning of any particular act proceeding from the legislative body”.
If you don’t know who Hamilton was, here’s a quote for you: ”One of America's foremost constitutional lawyers, he was an influential delegate to the U.S. Constitutional Convention in 1787 and was the leading author of the Federalist Papers (1788), which has been the single most important interpretation of the Constitution ever since”.

So, yeah, when administration wants to push a bill which transfer the power of Judicial branch to the Executive branch, I do object very much indeed.

Maybe it is nonsense as you’ve said, but to old farts like me, constitution means something. That’s probably failure of educational system we went trough, so… Anyways, let just blame Clinton.

Apropos Clinton, and since you’ve already hi-jacked the thread with your first post, I was curious about your repetitive one liners. I asked my friend who’s psychologist and profiler, to help me with the meaning. He said not to worry about, there is none and that you suffer something he calls “Parrot Syndrome”. No worries dangerous only to men, to housewives like you is benign, albeit annoying at the times.
That made me wonder even more, I get often concerned about health of fellow humans – probably signs of my geriatric age, so I called my buddy neurologist and he thought me a thing or two.
Normal human being draw conclusions or create opinion through process called reasoning. I’m not going to bother you with all the types of it, since you’re not using them anyways and would only distract from more important matter.
Basically, all initial information input goes through receptors via some funny cables to CPU where it get processed and later on spit out in form of thoughts, speech, writings or some other form of output. Unfortunately, CPU, CNS or central nervous system (just a fancy name for brain and co) burns helluva lot of energy in process, in some cases up to 40% of our total energy needs.
So, Mother Nature decided to create more efficient human through evolution (ahh blasphemy, lets say God did it), and that’s where you come into equation.
An advanced species you belong to, process info more efficiently, it has a brand new CPU of monocell design which operates at low frequencies (important for favorable EPA ratings).
When high energy efficient species try to communicate with us older less efficient creatures it has to drop seven bits per byte of info. Per se that’s not bad if output is replaced with rhetoric bites which are saved in pre-emptive strike memory and are sometimes flushed and replaced. So where does “Parrot Syndrome” come into play?
Occasionally flush memory will get imprinted with receptors burn in, that is, when you read a post and you don’t get it, the following staring and first imagined response will burn it into retina. Monocell will be bypassed and first response permanently stored into memory and consequently used as the only response no matter what the original input was. But, there’s a good side, it uses even less energy than monocell processing. Cool, eh?
At first I was really concerned about you, but buddy neurologist assured me, that all symptoms will disappear when you die, and now I know, that you in fact are a miracle. Only God himself could come up with something so clever. Makes me feel proud of having the honor talking to you. Thank you sir!

Just imagine, you in fact do more for the energy conservation than all librul-enviro whackos together.


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« Reply #51 on: October 01, 2006, 07:27:07 PM »
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« Reply #52 on: October 01, 2006, 07:28:43 PM »
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With only 10 months in office? Probably more than the prior 8 years of Clintons reign, wouldn't you agree?
Still waiting for some examples Drippy. I'm sure there's plenty in your Republican playbook besides go on vacation at Crawford and ignore terrorist intel left behind.
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« Reply #53 on: October 01, 2006, 09:42:42 PM »
Please explain to me how the executive branch can execute without interpreting the laws before them. If the people believe the interpretation improper they have recourse for remedy do they not? Many words do not a logical argument make.



I'm old too but age does not necessarily equal rightness or even understanding.
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« Reply #54 on: October 01, 2006, 09:46:44 PM »
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Still waiting for some examples Drippy. I'm sure there's plenty in your Republican playbook besides go on vacation at Crawford and ignore terrorist intel left behind.


How about when Hillary got all indignant and claimed that if Clinton had the info briefed to Bush he would have acted. The problem is that Clinton was briefed and he didn't.

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« Reply #55 on: October 01, 2006, 10:06:23 PM »
Clinton was holding weekly meetings on OBL. Bush? 0
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« Reply #56 on: October 01, 2006, 10:09:33 PM »
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Clinton was holding weekly meetings on OBL. Bush? 0


We were attacked several times by al-qaeda on Clinton's watch beginning with the WTC bombing in '93 and he accomplished what?

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« Reply #57 on: October 02, 2006, 08:48:18 AM »
Ok... so if he pardons less than klinton we don't need to get upset.... How many more can he pardon than klinton before it is a bad thing?

We should have some scale to use tho right?

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« Reply #58 on: October 02, 2006, 10:17:02 AM »
If you think any of the powers of the US are at all seperated, you need to pull your head out of your ass.

The president can propose legislation and determine which laws to enforce.  The Supreme Court can legislate as well enforce the laws.  The Senate can call for hearings...  You get the idea.

The whole idea of government is ****ed.
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« Reply #59 on: October 02, 2006, 11:43:14 AM »
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Please explain to me how the executive branch can execute without interpreting the laws before them. If the people believe the interpretation improper they have recourse for remedy do they not?



Abosolutely, they can take their case to court.  Then judges can rule on it...


Oh wait, then the President can now ignore that ruling because he is now Teh INTREPETOR!!!oinee111!!1!.