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Offline Chairboy

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Pardon built into legislation?
« on: September 29, 2006, 05:00:38 PM »
This is interesting, CNN is reporting that some legislation up has a pre-emptive pardon for the entire Bush administration built in.  This seems like an unusual step, and doesn't seem proper.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoRjbIQMXGQ

I know that the source is suspect for plenty of you, but it should be straight forward to find corrobaration or a refuttal.  Anyone know anything else about this?
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« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2006, 07:01:09 PM »
Dunno, I was reading S.3929 (To authorize military commissions to bring terrorists to justice, to strengthen and modernize terrorist surveillance capabilities, and for other purposes.)

While bill seems to be very strict and clear about torture (and about Geneva Conventions in general), there's a section 128 which gives the president (specifically) freedom to "interpret the meaning and application of the Geneva Conventions" and sign administrative regulations as long as they are "not grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions"

In practice that means he can not be held responsible for majority of the breaches (nor those carrying out his orders).

Maybe there's more, hard to know without really going through the bill word by word.

I'm not even sure if that's the right bill (or version thereof) I was looking at...
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« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2006, 03:18:04 AM »
Presidents can pardon whoever they want, deserving or not. Clinton proved that.
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« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2006, 04:03:44 AM »
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Presidents can pardon whoever they want, deserving or not. Clinton proved that.
So did Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. Dunno why did you single out Clinton. What's so special about him?
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« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2006, 06:29:41 AM »
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Presidents can pardon whoever they want, deserving or not. Clinton proved that.


Its just in bad taste pardoning yourself for crimes that may date all the way back to sept 11, 2001.
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« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2006, 08:40:21 AM »
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Its just in bad taste pardoning yourself for crimes that may date all the way back to sept 11, 2001.


It's going to look great in the history books though.
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« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2006, 08:48:53 AM »
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So did Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. Dunno why did you single out Clinton. What's so special about him?


Perhaps because he pardoned more (140 ) than any other president in history? It's pretty common for Presidents to grant a number of pardons shortly before leaving office, but Clinton's last day was a record.
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« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2006, 09:18:43 AM »
What other choice does the administration have...wetaher they have commited any crimes or not..The writing is on the wall that if the Dems get power they will find something to pin on the man...The sad thing is..it's not because they really care about anything he might have done to the country or the world..It's just pure hate...I've given up on the GOP so what I'm saying here is not biased...THE DEMOCRATS HAVE ACTED LIKE A PACK OF 5 YEAR OLDS SINCE THE 2000 ELECTION.
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« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2006, 09:27:49 AM »
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What other choice does the administration have...wetaher they have commited any crimes or not..The writing is on the wall that if the Dems get power they will find something to pin on the man...The sad thing is..it's not because they really care about anything he might have done to the country or the world..It's just pure hate...I've given up on the GOP so what I'm saying here is not biased...THE DEMOCRATS HAVE ACTED LIKE A PACK OF 5 YEAR OLDS SINCE THE 2000 ELECTION.


So they pardon themsevlves because they are afraid the leftist librul terrorist lovers are going to get them for loitering or something?  Good point.  That makes a lot more sense than they buried a 'get out of jail free card' deep within a bill because they are afraid of what peopel might discover they have done when they are no longer judge, jury, and executioner.   Its the people of the US and the free world that they are afraid of, not the dems.
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« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2006, 10:51:31 AM »
No whitehawk.  The point is that the democrats are so far out there, that they are screaming to impeach bush.  He hasn't done anything wrong, yet they concoct wierd ideas to claim against him.


I very much see it as a possibility that when democrats get power, they'll push charges against Bush just because they hate him.
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« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2006, 11:15:41 AM »
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So did Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. Dunno why did you single out Clinton. What's so special about him?


My point wasn't that Clinton was different in granting pardons. As I said, any president can. My point was about undeserved pardons. Many believe Clinton sold his pardons. Here's an example: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,99302,00.html
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« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2006, 11:27:01 AM »
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My point wasn't that Clinton was different in granting pardons. As I said, any president can. My point was about undeserved pardons. Many believe Clinton sold his pardons. Here's an example: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,99302,00.html


Clinton was a scumbag of epic proportions, he just normally hid it better than a lot of others.
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« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2006, 12:08:01 PM »
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No whitehawk.  The point is that the democrats are so far out there, that they are screaming to impeach bush.  He hasn't done anything wrong, yet they concoct wierd ideas to claim against him.


I very much see it as a possibility that when democrats get power, they'll push charges against Bush just because they hate him.


And how much did the republicans spend to nail Clinton over a blow-job? You truely believe that Bush hasn't broken any laws?
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« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2006, 12:17:57 PM »
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And how much did the republicans spend to nail Clinton over a blow-job? You truely believe that Bush hasn't broken any laws?



And how long is it going to take you to realize that Clinton wasn't only under investigation for Lewinsky, but around 5 other girls as well.  All of those girls were claiming rape and sexual harassment.
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« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2006, 12:20:49 PM »
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And how long is it going to take you to realize that Clinton wasn't only under investigation for Lewinsky, but around 5 other girls as well.  All of those girls were claiming rape and sexual harassment.


Now that's "An Inconvenient Truth".
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