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lukster · « **Reply #30 on:** October 05, 2006, 08:09:49 PM »

Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water. Lazs mentioned that some socialization here may not be a bad thing and I agree. Let's continue to collect taxes for education but let's add some accountability by supporting the producers, those providing a monetarily efficient quality education. Since when has competition ever been a bad thing?

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #31 on:** October 05, 2006, 08:11:22 PM »

So basically you guys are socialists?

lukster · « **Reply #32 on:** October 05, 2006, 08:12:34 PM »

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Originally posted by FUNKED1
So basically you guys are socialists?

I'm pretty antisocial, just ask my wife.

lukster · « **Reply #33 on:** October 05, 2006, 08:13:40 PM »

We're mired deep in socialism. You can't change overnight.

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #34 on:** October 05, 2006, 08:15:06 PM »

I'll never understand you lefties.

Toad · « **Reply #35 on:** October 05, 2006, 08:17:08 PM »

I'll never understand the lack of accountability.

You take a job, claim you can do something...why be offended if your performance is critiqued? If you're good..so what?

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #36 on:** October 05, 2006, 08:17:47 PM »

LOL battling straw men

Toad · « **Reply #37 on:** October 05, 2006, 08:21:00 PM »

You really think our schools are accountable?

Pfffft.

It's why professional educators hate the voucher idea so much. It finally would introduce accountability.

No dictatorship wants to allow the citizens to vote with their feet. School dictatorships are no different.

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #38 on:** October 05, 2006, 08:22:35 PM »

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Originally posted by lukster
some socialization here may not be a bad thing and I agree.

I think it should be strictly need-based. For the very poor.
For the rest of America, confiscating income and returning it (minus "administrative expenses" etc) in the form of a voucher makes no sense. Let people keep their money and spend it as they wish.

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #39 on:** October 05, 2006, 08:23:47 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
You really think our schools are accountable?.

No, I was comparing my straw man (Toad and Lukster are commies) to your straw man (Funkypants fears accountability).

lukster · « **Reply #40 on:** October 05, 2006, 08:24:59 PM »

You built two strawmen for the price of one.

Toad · « **Reply #41 on:** October 05, 2006, 08:26:24 PM »

The outcry for vouchers stems from the lack of school accountability.

No straw there; it's all whole-wheat grain.

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #42 on:** October 05, 2006, 08:28:58 PM »

A straw man is where one person expects another to defend opinions or statement that the latter hasn't expressed.

Toad · « **Reply #43 on:** October 05, 2006, 08:30:21 PM »

I expect you to agree, not defend.

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #44 on:** October 05, 2006, 08:34:20 PM »

Well as a "professional educator" it sure looked like you were putting words in my mouth.
I thought it was clear from my statements that I support a system which would make schools accountable to an even greater degree than voucher programs.