Author Topic: Convoy ambush video (Read 2164 times)

Fishu · « **Reply #75 on:** October 03, 2006, 07:26:47 PM »

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Originally posted by hacksaw1
Strikes me as very odd that the truck driver, as he was speeding down the road, was videoing away in the middle of what he called a "hellhole" and that quickly turned into a full-fledged ambush, even after the IED went off. Really strange if you ask me.

Maybe it was strapped to his body or head.

Arlo · « **Reply #76 on:** October 03, 2006, 08:12:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Dago
Because the anti-Bush anything crowd has no objection to lieing and distorting to serve their hate filled agenda.

And this differs from the "Bush is right ... right or wrong .... simply because it's war and he's the CiC" crowd's lying and distorting to serve their hate filled agenda how? Or is it supposed to?

Let's have some actual Bush quotes then .....

"You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror." --George W. Bush, interview with CBS News' Katie Couric, Sept. 6, 2006

"I think -- tide turning -- see, as I remember -- I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of -- it's easy to see a tide turn -- did I say those words?" --George W. Bush, asked if the tide was turning in Iraq, Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006

"I strongly believe what we're doing is the right thing. If I didn't believe it -- I'm going to repeat what I said before -- I'd pull the troops out, nor if I believed we could win, I would pull the troops out." --George W. Bush, Charlotte, N.C., April 6, 2006

"People don't need to worry about security. This deal wouldn't go forward if we were concerned about the security for the United States of America." --George W. Bush, on the deal to hand over U.S. port security to a company operated by the United Arab Emirates, Washington, D.C., Feb. 23, 2006

"I'm the commander — see, I don't need to explain — I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being president." —George W. Bush, as quoted in Bob Woodward's "Bush at War"

Gunthr · « **Reply #77 on:** October 03, 2006, 08:13:22 PM »

I wasn't talkin about you Dago

Arlo · « **Reply #78 on:** October 03, 2006, 08:53:29 PM »

By the by .... I agree that people are too fast to jump to conclusions when presented with a less than complete or more than biased bit of dramatically presented info .... on both sides. Yeah, armchairing and spectating is anything but expert interpretation .... whether from the left or the right.

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #79 on:** October 03, 2006, 09:24:11 PM »

LOL @ neocon leghumpers

ByeBye · « **Reply #80 on:** October 03, 2006, 09:48:38 PM »

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Originally posted by FUNKED1
LOL @ neocon leghumpers

Yeah, look at all the "neocons" !

You seem sad.

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #81 on:** October 03, 2006, 09:51:42 PM »

You seem gay.

soda72 · « **Reply #82 on:** October 03, 2006, 10:08:16 PM »

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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Maybe some former infantrymen can comment on this.

I thought the standard response to an ambush was to lay down heavy suppressing fire, and to charge the enemy positions.

At least thats how they protected road convoys in Vietnam.

There are two types of ambushes. Blocked and unblocked..

When faced with an unblocked ambush you continue to drive through and do not stop. This may not sound like something John Wayne would do but the object for the convoy is to get out of the kill zone as fast as possible, not stay in it. If a vehicle is hit or disable you do not stop to assist the vehicle. I know John Wayne would find a way to save them. But John Wayne doesn't have to worry about real bullets, rocket launchers or grenades, lined up in a kill zone, for some reason the enemy always seems to miss him..

A Blocked ambush the convoy must assault through, as you described. They have no other option but to do so. A well designed blocked ambush will not allow the convoy to turn around or go around. It keeps them in the kill zone. Of course this type of ambush takes much more planning and does not happen as often.

Guess which ambush type results in more casualties for the convoy?

Anyway, from what I saw in the video the convoy escort did the right thing, it was an unblocked ambush. The only action taken by the convoy leader that can be critized is miss reading the map. The mistake he made cost people their lives and he will have to live with that mistake for the rest of his life.

Dago · « **Reply #83 on:** October 03, 2006, 10:27:26 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunthr
I wasn't talkin about you Dago

storch · « **Reply #84 on:** October 03, 2006, 10:53:18 PM »

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Originally posted by FUNKED1
You seem gay.

what is it you ultraliberals? I thought you liked gays. you seem confused.

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #85 on:** October 03, 2006, 11:11:56 PM »

*rolls up newspaper*

Atoon · « **Reply #86 on:** October 03, 2006, 11:27:54 PM »

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Originally posted by Dago
Do you "he shouldnt get lost" guys realize there arent street signs on those streets, so getting lost is a very real possiblility for everyone??

I can navigate myself down many riverside trails, coutry roads & even water ways that have no road signs, why???? Landmark Familiarity- Cuz someone showed me the way on previous trips, or I took the time to learn it myself by trail & error. The later being a luxory afforded to me by those providing me with my freedom.

It seems to me that this was not the first time this particular intended route had been taken. It also seems to me, that before you are selected as a convoy leader/navigator, you should be "qualified" for the position. Perhaps by riding along on prior escort missions on the same route. Just seems logical, but obviously- war is not always logical.

soda72 · « **Reply #87 on:** October 04, 2006, 12:06:40 AM »

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Originally posted by Atoon
I can navigate myself down many riverside trails, coutry roads & even water ways that have no road signs, why???? Landmark Familiarity- Cuz someone showed me the way on previous trips, or I took the time to learn it myself by trail & error. The later being a luxory afforded to me by those providing me with my freedom.

It seems to me that this was not the first time this particular intended route had been taken. It also seems to me, that before you are selected as a convoy leader/navigator, you should be "qualified" for the position. Perhaps by riding along on prior escort missions on the same route. Just seems logical, but obviously- war is not always logical.

Convoy leaders will most likely be an experienced NCO or CO. All go through training to be qualified, all be it some are better at it than others. I would not be surprised if ride alongs are being done already, but that of course depends on the situation and the amount of time they have as someone is rotated out.

Driving the same route is not something that is desired even though you are going to the same destination. Different routes to the same point is perferred otherwise it makes it easier for an enemy to setup/plan an ambush.

101ABN · « **Reply #88 on:** October 04, 2006, 05:27:54 AM »

i just watched the video on military.com and then looked up the drivers name... i read the newspaper report and started to laugh.. this driver got hit, his truck dead, and yet he continues to film. He stated in the interview that the National Guard abandoned him.. yes, you can see the hummer pulling away from him.. watch the video again, turn up the sound and listen..... you can hear the familiar pop of the AK-47... you can also hear the sound of a .50 cal too... when i ran convoys over there we had several gun trucks in each convoy.. chances are that the truck that was responsible for this driver was fighting back the attack. The truck that was ahead of him was protecting the rest of the 18 wheelers in front of him.. he was truck #5... so there were 4 more trucks ahead of him in the kill zone.. and in the video you heard on the radio a call to pass truck 8... so there were several trucks in the kill zone..... folks are all up in arms about this and bashing the National Guard for this... folks shouldnt bash the soldiers for this mishap.. should bash the idiots for working for a company that wont let you carry a weapon.... i love how the media can spin everything out of control..

and i love how loose everyone uses the term IED... from what ive seen in that video, that was a grenade that went off.. all he took was some cracks in the windshield... the IED that hit me blew my windshield on to my lap... ha ha ha...

101ABN · « **Reply #89 on:** October 04, 2006, 05:30:10 AM »

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Originally posted by Atoon
I can navigate myself down many riverside trails, coutry roads & even water ways that have no road signs, why???? Landmark Familiarity- Cuz someone showed me the way on previous trips, or I took the time to learn it myself by trail & error. The later being a luxory afforded to me by those providing me with my freedom.

It seems to me that this was not the first time this particular intended route had been taken. It also seems to me, that before you are selected as a convoy leader/navigator, you should be "qualified" for the position. Perhaps by riding along on prior escort missions on the same route. Just seems logical, but obviously- war is not always logical.

its not the convoy commanders decision on what route to take.. that information comes from higher based off intel gathered. some routes are cold for months, some are not.. they just happend to roll the convoy on a hot day.. i had to use the same route over and over again before... some things you just cant help.

Author Topic: Convoy ambush video (Read 2164 times)

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