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Offline Chairboy

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« Reply #45 on: October 04, 2006, 05:09:05 PM »
Sure, today it's my group that's ridiculed, sanctioned, and penalized.  It may even become acceptable to imprison my kind in my lifetime if the current trend of religious involvement in government continues to increase.

If that happens, then I hope there will be people left to object when your group is in the crosshairs.
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« Reply #46 on: October 04, 2006, 05:28:07 PM »
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Sure, today it's my group that's ridiculed, sanctioned, and penalized.  It may even become acceptable to imprison my kind in my lifetime if the current trend of religious involvement in government continues to increase.

If that happens, then I hope there will be people left to object when your group is in the crosshairs.


This may be news to you Chairboy but Christians around the world today are being persecuted for their faith even to the point of death. My "group" is in the crosshairs.
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« Reply #47 on: October 04, 2006, 05:33:47 PM »
Then I guess I don't quite get why you'd be so quick to ridicule me and my concerns.  I'd hesitate to use words like hypocrisy, but I'm having a difficult time finding a polite term that carries the same meaning.

Perhaps this will work: Your actions seem out of character for someone who is in a similar situation and from whom a certain level of consequent empathy would be expected.

Oooh, I shoulda been a poet.
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« Reply #48 on: October 04, 2006, 05:36:54 PM »
Can't join the boyscouts if you profess your faith or be brutally murdered. It's hard for me to see a real comparison. I will acknowledge that the world just ain't always a very fair place. Wish it weren't so.
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« Reply #49 on: October 04, 2006, 05:40:14 PM »
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Eagler: So you're ok with laws in various states that make it illegal for atheists to hold office?


doesn't bother me a bit
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« Reply #50 on: October 04, 2006, 05:57:34 PM »
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Sure, today it's my group that's ridiculed, sanctioned, and penalized.  It may even become acceptable to imprison my kind in my lifetime if the current trend of religious involvement in government continues to increase.

If that happens, then I hope there will be people left to object when your group is in the crosshairs.


As Laz has already said, there are many laws on the books that IMHO are purely UN-constitutional.

I don't think you will be put in jail.  Not for being an atheist.  I for one would NOT support such an action.  I would fight it.

Something that perhaps should be noted, the current trend of religious involvement in government is NOT new.  It has ALWAYS been there.  At times it has been more noticable, at others less.
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« Reply #51 on: October 04, 2006, 06:04:12 PM »
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doesn't bother me a bit
Lukster, wrag, people like this is what I'm talking about.
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« Reply #52 on: October 04, 2006, 06:07:12 PM »
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Thank God I am agnostic.
dang near sig material right here.
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« Reply #53 on: October 04, 2006, 06:36:41 PM »
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Lukster, wrag, people like this is what I'm talking about.


SIR!


I have NEVER objected to your beliefs!

I did object to some of the methods you have used, and at times still use, when you communicate them.

In fact grouping me as you have in this post is, IMHO, a part of those methods used at times by you that I object to.

Go back and look at the threads in which I post a response.  You will find I do NOT object to your beliefs, I do object to the methods you seem to use while communicating those beliefs.

IMHO You can say the same stuff WITHOUT using those methods!
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« Reply #54 on: October 04, 2006, 06:37:06 PM »
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you live in a country that was founded on a belief in a Divine Maker with the freedom to choose how to believe or not to believe but the fact is it was based on the belief that there IS such a GOD/Power/ Consciousness /Enlightenment /Good Force/whatever label u want to use..
sorry for all the "various slights and impositions produced by religion" you have to endure, must be terrible
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I am not trying to: "..make fun of stupid atheists ...convert them..pigeonhole them..take away rights" cause I really don't care if you dont believe, it's ur karma, good luck with it


He also lives in a country that was founded on the genocide of its indigenous inhabitants. Do you want to go out and kill some injuns too?

I wonder how christians would feel if they were banned from holding a government position.
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« Reply #55 on: October 04, 2006, 07:08:19 PM »
I am an upper class, straight, white, male christian who loves the USA....I am the most hated person on earth! lmao
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« Reply #56 on: October 04, 2006, 07:31:12 PM »
Poor people need religion because their lives are so miserable that they would not be productive members of society if they didn't think they were going to go to paradise when they die.

Religion can be a good thing in America.  It gives a code of conduct to those who are not ethical or educated enough to govern themselves.

'Don't worry, if you work hard, follow the rules, and give 10% of your money to the church, you'll get yours.  It might not be in this life, but you'll be rich and live in paradise, and always be happy'.  

But religion is here for two purposes.  Anthropologists say that we as humans need to believe that we will somehow 'live on' after we die.  The thought of just dying, and not existing, is hard the on the psyche.  Also, religion is used for control of the population.

I was a Christian for many years.  The thing that got me was this- If God is all mighty and all powerful, then why do the majority of people have to burn in a pit of lava?  That silly 'free-will' answer never floated with me.  I certainly wasn't going to follow a God that wasn't strong enough to defeat the devil and protect his 'children'.  Might as well be a truck driver in Iraq with the Virginia National Guard as my escort.

 It was at the same I was learning more and more about evolution and biology in college.  "Hmmm, God sure took a strange and complex route when he made humans.  Look at that, we share 98% of our DNA with chimps.  Hey wait a sec, why do humans have remnants of a tail, and primitive gill slits when we are a fetus?"

So I'm quite content with the majority of the U.S. being religious.  If it makes them happy (and they behave themselves), then its for the common good.  Though I was a bit perturbed when GWB said "God told me to invade Iraq".
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« Reply #57 on: October 04, 2006, 07:40:38 PM »
You guys got the wrong religion. This thread is not about Christians, it's about Atheists. Dang hijackers. ;)
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« Reply #58 on: October 04, 2006, 07:44:19 PM »
Atheism isnt a religion, its a lack of religion.
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« Reply #59 on: October 04, 2006, 07:45:26 PM »
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Atheism isnt a religion, its a lack of religion.


I've heard that before, I ain't convinced, nor is the law of the land.
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