Why I care about religion

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Atheism isnt a religion, its a lack of religion.

Is buddhism a religion?

[Eagler]

Originally posted by Chairboy
Lukster, wrag, people like this is what I'm talking about.

our laws and rule of government are based off the belief in the Divine..
if you do not share that belief are you qualified for the job of public office to represent a huge majority of ppl who do believe?
IMO no

oh yeah .. now who is doing the:
"...it's ok to pigeonhole them "?

[Chairboy]

Originally posted by Eagler
our laws and rule of government are based off the belief in the Divine..
if you do not share that belief are you qualified for the job of public office to represent a huge majority of ppl who do believe?

Eagler, since when do we live in Americanastan?  Before you get too carried away with religious fervor, re-read the first amendment.  "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion".  Is there a specific part of that sentence that is unclear?

[Eagler]

sir, you are the one being carried away ...
do you not believe this country was founded on the belief of the Divine? They seem to mention it allot in all those old papers ...
so if someone does not share that, how is he qualified to work for an org that does?

[JB88]

i am going to execute each and every one of you with a sharpened marshmallow.

(after i finish this delicious wine)


you have been worned.


888

[Chairboy]

Originally posted by Eagler
sir, you are the one being carried away ...
do you not believe this country was founded on the belief of the Divine? They seem to mention it allot in all those old papers ...
so if someone does not share that, how is he qualified to work for an org that does?

Article 6 of the Constitution provides that "no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

No, ever, any. It's the most emphatic single sentence in the entire Constitution.

You're saying that it's A-OK that atheists cannot legally hold office in a number of states, and you claim that I'm overreacting?

[JB88]

Originally posted by Chairboy
Article 6 of the Constitution provides that "no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

No, ever, any. It's the most emphatic single sentence in the entire Constitution.

irregardless.  the marshmallow threat stands.

you have veen warned.

8;

[Neubob]

Originally posted by Eagler
sir, you are the one being carried away ...
do you not believe this country was founded on the belief of the Divine? They seem to mention it allot in all those old papers ...
so if someone does not share that, how is he qualified to work for an org that does?

This country was not founded on the belief of the devine. Belief of the devine was but one of many values that the founding fathers had in common. Values change. If they didn't, and those 'old papers' of which you speak weren't amended 27 times since their inception, we'd be living in a country where it would be legal for you to own other people, yet illegal for blacks and women to vote.

[Engine]

I feel pity for Atheists. When I ask people how they know God exists, I get very different answers. The ones like "I see God all around me" or "Do you believe the beauty of the universe could have happened without God?"... I just discard those. But, at least people with religion can look me in the eye and say they know God exists - they've touched God, or felt God, or whatever.

Atheists can't ever prove non-existence, but cling to their atheism anyway despite how empty the premise is.

I'm glad for Atheists, because they seperate themselves from us Agnostics and emphasize how rational Agnostics are. Thanks!

[JB88]

you arent listening are you.

marshmallow.  pointed.  ow.

hello?  is this thing..thump.

[JB88]

Originally posted by Engine
I feel pity for Atheists. When I ask people how they know God exists, I get very different answers. The ones like "I see God all around me" or "Do you believe the beauty of the universe could have happened without God?"... I just discard those. But, at least people with religion can look me in the eye and say they know God exists - they've touched God, or felt God, or whatever.

Atheists can't ever prove non-existence, but cling to their atheism anyway despite how empty the premise is.

I'm glad for Atheists, because they seperate themselves from us Agnostics and emphasize how rational Agnostics are. Thanks!

oh...and if you are so touched then why are still calling yourself an agnostic?

(or are you speaking hypothetically...having not actually experienced this god as you think is revealed to the knowers) ?

[Neubob]

Originally posted by Engine
I feel pity for Atheists. When I ask people how they know God exists, I get very different answers. The ones like "I see God all around me" or "Do you believe the beauty of the universe could have happened without God?"... I just discard those. But, at least people with religion can look me in the eye and say they know God exists - they've touched God, or felt God, or whatever.

Atheists can't ever prove non-existence, but cling to their atheism anyway despite how empty the premise is.

I'm glad for Atheists, because they seperate themselves from us Agnostics and emphasize how rational Agnostics are. Thanks!

While all this may well be true, it's still no reason to limit the rights of atheists. If this government is going to quiety persecute atheism because they may, at some point in the future, compromise the existing JUdeo-Christian power structure, then this government should be consistent in their intolerance and make Islam straight up illegal, because its members, representative or not of the majority, have already done far more than any other single group to undermine and compromise that very same Judeo-Christian power structure.

[storch]

agnosticism does make sense, afterall how can one be completely sure about something one cannot experience with the five senses.  I come from a family of agnostics yet I'm a person of faith.  there is absolutely positively no doubt in my mind that there is a God and that he does indeed care for each one of us individually.  I just don't see why he cares about most of you guys. that is the big God mystery to me.

[Engine]

Originally posted by JB88
oh...and if you are so touched then why are still calling yourself an agnostic?

(or are you speaking hypothetically...having not actually experienced this god as you think is revealed to the knowers) ?

I have no clue whether God exists. That's why I'm an agnostic.

I'm just saying I can't argue with a person who says they believe in God because they had some sort of contact. Maybe they did. It's silly to believe without knowing, though.

Also, in NYC many atheists are the same sort who believe secret government commandos blew up the WTC, or that we dropped the bomb on Hiroshima not to end the war earlier, but because car companies found out some guy there invented a car that runs on seawater. It's like a trendy club for them. "Down with the MAN, and my atheism is an extra in-your-face to you Christians!". It made me question atheism early.

[T0J0]

Originally posted by Chairboy
Sorry, couldn't hear ya over the throbbin' beat of the rave music here at my huge gay party.  Boy, I sure hope I can steal some more milk money from elementary students to pay for my cocaine habit (btw, snorting it off the american flag is a huge kick).  Maybe I can sue some churches to get more money so I can go out and have a bunch of abortions...

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aahhh your making all that up, your in the closet way to much of the time to have that much fun...