Me-262 bug (WARNING!: May Contain Whinning!)

[Reynolds]

I wouldnt mind if it was a typhie, points like that are trivial, and I wouldnt mind much either if I could afford another 262, but thats the thing. I will get a sudden uncontrolable urge to fly a 262. I dont care If I kill anything, I just wanna fly it and show off in the MA. Has to be MA, 'cause everyone can have one in the TA. And ive been in a 262 mood lately

[Overlag]

Originally posted by Reynolds
I wouldnt mind if it was a typhie, points like that are trivial, and I wouldnt mind much either if I could afford another 262, but thats the thing. I will get a sudden uncontrolable urge to fly a 262. I dont care If I kill anything, I just wanna fly it and show off in the MA. Has to be MA, 'cause everyone can have one in the TA. And ive been in a 262 mood lately

will be joining you on perk farming..... ive still not killed anything in the past 2 days, and i lost ANOTHER 262 yesterday......

[Reynolds]

So sad to hear, how many points do you have left? Im up from 60 to 63! lol Ive got a new strategy: Hurri IIC, P-38G, and 109G2 all in LWA, plus strat-bombing to help with resets, and fly the HIGHEST ENY fighter there is for every map reset. Im REALLY craving some flights in a 262.

[Overlag]

390something, but the luck I'm having its not worth it.

i was flying a 109K (first time) and was trying to clear a bombers 6 from a enemy..... i hit my bombers and blew my self up

then i fired off something like 200 rounds just now at a p51, none hit, however a friendly typh then flew infront of me, and 1 kit blew my tail off.

6kills in 2 days, -350perks, and lots of whining! i need some drink!

[Reynolds]

Well, um, is the Kurfurst a perk plane now? I know the drink feeling. Soon as I hit that tower, I just sat there and thought "Im gonna need some vodka"

[HoHun]

Hi Krusty,

>I didn't even start to black out (guesstimate of 3G)

I just looked up the construction description for the Me 262, re-produced in Radinger/Schick's "Me 262", and it points out a maximum G load of G=7 for a maximum weight of 5700 kg. With the technical standards of the day, that would probably include a 50% safety margin before ultimate failure (which accordingly would have to be expected to occurr at G=10.5).

Note that this is actually equivalent to a load of 59350 kg - if you have already burnt some fuel, this pushes the maximum allowable Gs a bit higher (and you know how quickly the Me 262 burns fuel :-)

I'm not quite certain about the wing spar, but as the Me 262 incorporated a much higher proportion of steel parts than the earlier piston-engined fighters, it might well be that the Me 262's main spar was from steel. This should give a wider margin of permanent deformation before it actually breaks than you'd get from aluminium.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

[Reynolds]

Originally posted by HoHun
Hi Krusty,

>I didn't even start to black out (guesstimate of 3G)

I just looked up the construction description for the Me 262, re-produced in Radinger/Schick's "Me 262", and it points out a maximum G load of G=7 for a maximum weight of 5700 kg. With the technical standards of the day, that would probably include a 50% safety margin before ultimate failure (which accordingly would have to be expected to occurr at G=10.5).

Note that this is actually equivalent to a load of 59350 kg - if you have already burnt some fuel, this pushes the maximum allowable Gs a bit higher (and you know how quickly the Me 262 burns fuel :-)

I'm not quite certain about the wing spar, but as the Me 262 incorporated a much higher proportion of steel parts than the earlier piston-engined fighters, it might well be that the Me 262's main spar was from steel. This should give a wider margin of permanent deformation before it actually breaks than you'd get from aluminium.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

Which pretty much says the 262 can take some real Gs?

[HoHun]

Hi Reynolds,

>Which pretty much says the 262 can take some real Gs?

Roger that.

(There were several standards for G requirements in WW2, and some may have been higher than 7 G, but if I remember correctly, the P-38 for example was built for a similar load factor.)

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

[Reynolds]

Now, any guesses as to what happened for me? Even when crashing into a tree, I see a pause in the screen before I tower. I have actually NEVER imidiatly towered, even when ending sortie, I always see a picture of a tree first (I know, wtf is a tree doing there?!?) but this time I was just in a tower, no tree screen.

[Overlag]

Originally posted by Reynolds
Now, any guesses as to what happened for me? Even when crashing into a tree, I see a pause in the screen before I tower. I have actually NEVER imidiatly towered, even when ending sortie, I always see a picture of a tree first (I know, wtf is a tree doing there?!?) but this time I was just in a tower, no tree screen.

since the split, ive been seeing and hearing some freaky stuff.

for instance i was dogfighting a 109F, while i was flying a la5. I shoot up the 109, flaps fall off etc, and i see him auger..... i start to pull up, only to see him "take off" from the mess on the floor and nearly kill me...he flew RIGHT into the ground yet was now dead 6, less than 800yards away.....

or, chasing 2 red cons, and they just vanish? No proxy, no chute, no crash, nothing....I think skuzzy is messing around in a UFO model or something:p

[Krusty]

Ho-Hun, if you have some info on the subject, would it be possible to post it in a new thread, for the purpose of flight model discussion?

[HoHun]

Hi Krusty,

>Ho-Hun, if you have some info on the subject, would it be possible to post it in a new thread, for the purpose of flight model discussion?

Certainly, just that I'm not quite fure what "the subject" exactly is :-)

I don't really have much information on design G limits overall. For German aircraft, they are often obscured by a "load class" like "H5", meaning high-speed aircraft fully capable of aerobatics and the like. (I don't have the definition list, unfortunately.)

Maybe you could start a general call for information and see what everyone can contribute :-)

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

[HoHun]

Hi again,

>Certainly, just that I'm not quite fure what "the subject" exactly is :-)

I meant to write "the fubject", of course! ;-)

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

[Reynolds]

Originally posted by Overlag
since the split, ive been seeing and hearing some freaky stuff.

for instance i was dogfighting a 109F, while i was flying a la5. I shoot up the 109, flaps fall off etc, and i see him auger..... i start to pull up, only to see him "take off" from the mess on the floor and nearly kill me...he flew RIGHT into the ground yet was now dead 6, less than 800yards away.....

or, chasing 2 red cons, and they just vanish? No proxy, no chute, no crash, nothing....I think skuzzy is messing around in a UFO model or something:p

Strange things have been noticed by myself too. Have they changed bomb arming time? I have only had 4 or 5 bombs too low since I started the game, but now with the new formats, I have yet to release a SINGLE bomb high enough. I used to drop skimming the trees at high speed so as to get a greater foreward motion, and now, even higher up, at the same speed, with the same plane and bomb load, it doesnt detonate. Im really wondering whether or not to bring it up in the bug reports...

[Overlag]

ive had bombs not "land" from 19k.... i dunno where they went.