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Offline Krusty

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« on: October 05, 2006, 05:13:15 PM »
Say you get set on fire. You're what often called a fireball. By this I mean you trail flames across the sky. However, once the fire "burns out" you just lose a wing. No muss no fuss it's gone. If it's a fuselage tank I think you just end up in the tower. Instant poof.

I'd like to see it so that: if you have a wing that's on fire, and the fire burns out, just as your wing falls off it would be cool to have a 30mm or 37mm explosion sprite, a "big hit" sound as if the tank blew up.

Did you think the wing just melted off? I think the wing falls off because the tank finally blows up. I'd like to SEE it blow the wing off, instead of fall off. When the Fuselage fire runs out I'd like to hear a huge BOOM as well, so I know why I'm in the tower.

Okay, I'd KNOW why, but it would be a gentle reminder that fire trails are a warning to get out while you can :)

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« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2006, 05:40:49 PM »
I'd like to see other improvements to the matchstick model first. Y'know, like stopping the gaminess of guys flying around for a minute or two with no loss of performance in spite of the fact their plane is going up in flames around them.
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« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2006, 05:46:44 PM »
Oh, I agree wholeheartedly.

This was just a request on the "eye candy" side of thigns

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« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2006, 10:48:40 AM »
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but it would be a gentle reminder

A big BOOM is a gentle reminder?:lol
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« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2006, 02:24:54 PM »
You'd be surprised the number of times I've been set on fire and too busy to notice it. It would only be 14-20 seconds after I took the hit that I'd realize this.

Then again, I might be the only one! :)

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« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2006, 03:08:54 PM »
Gasoline in liquid form does not explode.  Nor does gunpowder combust violently unless it is in the barrel.  Does anyone know what a cookoff is?  The only thing that should go boom is explosive ordnance, like cannon rounds, rockets, and bombs.  Yes, aluminum can burn, although I imagine the pilot would die before the wing burned off.

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« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2006, 03:39:47 PM »
Love this idea. Maybe different senarios, like if your high alt and like real life if your on fire, you can risk the chance of waiting for the fire to possibly go out or die in a fiery plane :P Also Krusty if the wing tank doesn't explode it doesn't melt, for about 5 hours :P Nah usually a wing or fuselage, you get the fuel tank to blow

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« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2006, 06:20:51 PM »
i like this idea, i like it very much.

i rly rly, don't like how the wings burn off now, it's like someone just unsrewed the wing or something and it just sort of, falls off.

i'd rly like to see sumthing a bit more...explosive.

and more pieces when you explode all together, like say from 5" ack

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ya know? something a bit more spectacular

not your flying round and you look back and see "Hey...i'm on fire:confused: when'd that happen?" then CLUNK! and your wing sorta slides off your plane.

i'd be much koola if it was: "Hey...i'm on fire:confused: when'd that happen? KABOOM! then"AHHHHHHHHH!!!!GAWWWWWWWWWWWWWDDD!!!!!1!" KLUPOW! when u hit ground

i'm not saying put  100k of intricate little piecies of yer wing and sum sorta HiDef Imax 3d jump out of your screen HOLY CRAP! explosion, that all would prolly kill your frames, albeit for a brief moment, but sumthing better than te generic explosions and 2-3 pieces(max) of your plane blowing apart

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« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2006, 06:52:38 PM »
1. HTC is propably working on this.
2. How do I think this, well, 1 year ago they released the verison which had the initial explosion with two pieces of debris flying towards the ground on fire, now it's getting boring and HTC know's we're propably bored of this.
3. If it is generated, CT is the one to premiere this new feature, and as we all know, it's 2 weeks away from 4 years ago.
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« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2006, 11:08:48 AM »
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Originally posted by Benny Moore
Gasoline in liquid form does not explode.  Nor does gunpowder combust violently unless it is in the barrel.  Does anyone know what a cookoff is?  The only thing that should go boom is explosive ordnance, like cannon rounds, rockets, and bombs.  Yes, aluminum can burn, although I imagine the pilot would die before the wing burned off.


Gun powder does "combust violently". It generates gas rapidly, but it takes a very strong, restricted volume to allow pressures to rise sufficiently to impart a high velocity on a projectile. If a round cooks off in the chamber, the bullet will exit at normal velocity. If a round cooks off simply sitting in a fire, there is little velocity on the projectile because the thin-walled case will not allow significant pressure to build before the case splits under the pressure or the bullet pops out.

A firearm restricts volume to that of the cartridge case, hence high pressures, usually between 15,000 and 70,000 CUP depending of the weapon and cartridge. A round cooking off in a fire (typical brass case rilfe caliber type), generates less than 300 CUP (copper units of pressure).

A few years ago, a local gun owners house caught fire due to an electrical fault in the wall. The owner made the mistake of telling the volunteer fire chief that he had a few thousand rounds of ammo in the house, in a gun safe. So, instead of extinguishing the fire, they remained outside and just contained it to the house itself. It burned nearly to the ground. So, ignorance cost this man his entire home and all his personal property.

1) The ammo was in a safe.
2) Even if it wasn't, there was no significant risk.

When the safe was later opened, a plastic bottle of gun lube wasn't even melted. He sued the town and fire district for his personal loss and after 7 years of litigation, collected 2.7 million dollars...

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« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2006, 11:54:23 AM »
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Originally posted by Benny Moore
Gasoline in liquid form does not explode.  Nor does gunpowder combust violently unless it is in the barrel.  Does anyone know what a cookoff is?  The only thing that should go boom is explosive ordnance, like cannon rounds, rockets, and bombs.  Yes, aluminum can burn, although I imagine the pilot would die before the wing burned off.


I am glad Widewing beat me too this.  This has been an ongoing thing in this game of people thinking that if a bomb just falls into a fire it will blow up right away.... wrong.  It takes time...  and the time it takes for a fire to burn off a wing or other part of the plane in this game before it hits the ground/water is not enough to make a bomb blow up.  Aluminum doesn't burn, it melts first, there is a difference.  Besides, ordnance doesn't just go boom... it needs something to set it off and the fire won't do it so to speak.  Especially if it is not armed.
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« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2006, 01:23:44 PM »
but aluminum will burn.

 It takes high temperatures for it to happen, but it will burn instead of melting. Read up on the reports from the USS Stark after the Iraqi attack. Aluminum burned like paper.

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« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2006, 05:30:50 PM »
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but aluminum will burn.

 It takes high temperatures for it to happen, but it will burn instead of melting. Read up on the reports from the USS Stark after the Iraqi attack. Aluminum burned like paper.





the only way i've ever heard you could get aluminium to burn is when it's mixed with iron. the oxide layer has too high a melting point for the thing to burn. it will melt though. an aircraft fire provides a lot of oxygen for the reaction, so the flames get very hot. i imagine wings would break off fairly quickly if they were on fire, as the heat would distort and soften the metal, so the force of the airflow and air resistance would tear it right off.

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« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2006, 09:14:29 AM »
Yes Aluminum will burn, providing it has a high enough starting tempurature.
And if it  has enough oxygen

Most of your flash powders (firecrackers, fireworks, etc) have an aluminum base.
Ussually very finely powdered with a strong oxidiser.

Sheet aluminum is hard to ignite, as its hard to get enough air to it. And it will ussually melt & flow away from the heat before it burns.

Melting point is close to 2000 degrees, however aluminum oxide, (tarnished) melting point is near 4000 degrees.

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« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2006, 11:34:23 AM »
how about flames or smoke in the cockpit to restrict the pilots vision?

I realize the cockpit is not always in the fire, but I am looking for something to cause the pilot to not be as effective as a pilot who is not on fire.

maybe cause the flight controls to go all mushy or erratic?

maybee a manditory bailout?