lousy fights..

[indy007]

Originally posted by FALCONWING
hmmm...not sure i see what the bigger point is here indy?

Wow you really are lost.

Through your superior leadership methods of recruiting newbies, you've inflated your numbers to 90+. You're not the first to do it, probably won't be the last either. Wasn't the LCA some big whatever a few months back?

However, that number 32 has been in place for a very long time. Knowing that, it's a simple variable. It could have been changed and there'd be no purpose in even pointing it out.

It was not changed, at all. The arenas were broken apart to discourage that type of organization because of its effect in forming hordes. This is not Warcraft, and 120 people don't have to be guilded to staff 3 nights a week of 40man raid content. Hell you can take a defended base with 5 guys if you know what you're doing.

So, the question still remains, why cling so tenaciously to a 90man roster and strict rules about country and squad nights, when the arena format was changed to dissuade such behavior?

Your answer will be "friends". However, I shoot my friends, regularly, and they shoot me. We're still friends. I'm friends with people I've never even flown with in the game. So, that answer doesn't particularly float my boat because it's inherrently dishonest in the assumption that if they don't fly with you, they're not your friend.

Got a better answer?

[FALCONWING]

im sorry you seem to have no concept of who/what we are..

to call the majprity of BoPs newbies is amateurish and means you havent bothered to pull us up and look at our roster....easily the avergae time in the game of the average BoP is 3 yrs. our most recent guys who have joined include dstyve, mctoast, patriots and innomin8...all vets

flyy, ptbops, awdoc, airjer, kite777, to name a few go back almost 8 years to AWC.

you griefers seem to think that newbies like to take bases...hehe they dont...they want to up and fly...plus we are large enuf we dont post missions much..we organize in a tower and up ourselves.

here is my secret...we have been around nonstop since 1996...and we are good and fun...

if you played one game (or version) nonstop for 10 years...went to cons with guys....host a website...run missions.....then you think it is hard to imagine 90 guys would want to stick around with you?  thats about 8-9 guys a year...not too hard to do.  

now..do we recruit? no

guys wing with us and over time ask to join or are asked...many have been not given invites and a few have been asked to leave.  we dont like griefers and guys that are always unhappy...wont keep them around...kill the vibe...

and for the new arenas killing large squads..it might for some who have grown up fairly quickly...and im sorry for that...you need guys who want to be with each other to stick it out when options open up.

as for BoPs...we have grown under the new arena system...more players have approached us about joining and many guys live on our channel whilke they are on because their smaller squads have fallen apart....only thing the new arena system does is limit guys who arrive late for squad night......so yo have to remember to log on an hour early and sit in the tower (annoying but not fatal)

the BoPs have survived AWC, AW1, AW2 and AW3 ending..each time we had to up and move..upgrade equipment...even take collections to help other guys out....we have paid some guys subscriptions when they were out of luck.....we have stuck together and gotten better each year....i really dont think a few new arenas will be our demise:cool:

and it definitely wont be you griefers

[indy007]

Originally posted by FALCONWING
if you played one game (or version) nonstop for 10 years...went to cons with guys....host a website...run missions.....then you think it is hard to imagine 90 guys would want to stick around with you?  thats about 8-9 guys a year...not too hard to do.

I have, more than one game also. Even gone Pro in Counter-Strike for awhile. Whether those guys are with me or against me, it's never mattered. I'd go as far to say it's more fun to kill them, be it with a chainsaw in doom, swords & sticks in rpg's, AWPs in CS, A6m's here, racing 911 GT-Rs in Project Gotham... My WoW guild.. well, it's warcraft currently, has been around a decade. We have 2 annual get togethers a year (Vegas, Amsterdam, Cruises, etc), and more infrastructure than you can shake a stick at... website, vent server, irc channel, photo albums, page after page of economic policies for MMO games, extremely strict recruiting standards. We're communist with a benevolent dictator. Everything is for the greater good. There's over 120 of us.

Maybe I just come from a different breed where we don't hold hands & sing kumbuya because we've known each other awhile. Hell, if you know somebody, that's an even better reason to hunt them down, kill them, and then light heartedly taunt them. For my birthday they put a bounty on me and I got to spend 4 hours dodging 39 other guys.

Different strokes for different folks.

But at least no game has been changed because of my guild/squads effect on it


edit: I haven't vulched in months and refuse 95% of front quarter shots. I intentionally limit the available playing options to me to make it more fun for myself and those I'm flying against. Save your griefer bit for the guys that pork FH's & runway bash.

[Hammy]

But at least no game has been changed because of my guild/squads effect on it

meaning they changed AH coz of teh BOPS?????

ROFLMAO If thats what you mean then that is the dumbest thing i've heard in years!!!!!

[Donzo]

Originally posted by Hammy
meaning they changed AH coz of teh BOPS?????

ROFLMAO If thats what you mean then that is the dumbest thing i've heard in years!!!!!

LOL!


ZOMG!!!!1!!!, teh BoPs r teh evil game changers!!!!!!

[indy007]

Originally posted by Hammy
meaning they changed AH coz of teh BOPS?????

ROFLMAO If thats what you mean then that is the dumbest thing i've heard in years!!!!!

This is going to fracture the community.

We disagree. Communities grow and healthy growth requires structure. Just packing in as many people as possible creates a slum, not a community. We now have multiple neighborhoods in our community, but they are all connected.

Why are you doing this now?

There’s a convergence of factors such as current arena health, player mass, time of year and a couple of things in the pipeline that we believe will provide an influx of players. Taken together, we believe this is the best time to make this transition.

Take from it what you will. You can either call yourselfs a horde directly, or call the people that fall in behind the mass of green dots the horde. It doesn't matter either way if you're simply the catalyst or the actual horde.

Horde behavior is what led to the MA becomming a slum, and the arenas being broken apart. That seems to be a fairly accurate conclusion to draw taking into account what HTC staff has posted.

I'm still at a complete loss as to why specifically BOPs have banned friends from fighting against each other (except it seems in the TA). That's probably the third dumbest thing I've heard on this game. The first, obviously, being people thinking score matters, and of course, second, people claiming that runway bashing is doing some great service to their side.

Lastly, if you're going to counter-point an arguement, insults are not the way to do. They make you seem childish at best, and incapable of a real discussion.

Plus, I still never got an answer as to why people are banned from changing sides.

[Hammy]

This is going to fracture the community.


We disagree. Communities grow and healthy growth requires structure. Just packing in as many people as possible creates a slum, not a community. We now have multiple neighborhoods in our community, but they are all connected.

There’s a convergence of factors such as current arena health, player mass, time of year and a couple of things in the pipeline that we believe will provide an influx of players. Taken together, we believe this is the best time to make this transition.

yeah but where in all this does it say "it was down to the way the BOPS play?"  I can't see it but maybe i need to go to specsavers?

In a childish sort of way

[Donzo]

Originally posted by indy007
Take from it what you will. You can either call yourselfs a horde directly, or call the people that fall in behind the mass of green dots the horde. It doesn't matter either way if you're simply the catalyst or the actual horde.

Horde behavior is what led to the MA becomming a slum, and the arenas being broken apart. That seems to be a fairly accurate conclusion to draw taking into account what HTC staff has posted.

I'm still at a complete loss as to why specifically BOPs have banned friends from fighting against each other (except it seems in the TA). That's probably the third dumbest thing I've heard on this game. The first, obviously, being people thinking score matters, and of course, second, people claiming that runway bashing is doing some great service to their side.

Lastly, if you're going to counter-point an arguement, insults are not the way to do. They make you seem childish at best, and incapable of a real discussion.

Plus, I still never got an answer as to why people are banned from changing sides.

Did you even read what Hammy said?

What does your response have to do with what he said/asked?

[indy007]

Originally posted by Hammy
yeah but where in all this does it say "it was down to the way the BOPS play?"  I can't see it but maybe i need to go to specsavers?

In a childish sort of way

Is any BOP gonna ever bother to answer my question about what's so wrong with changing sides?

[Donzo]

Originally posted by indy007



Is any BOP gonna ever bother to answer my question about what's so wrong with changing sides?

No.

Run along now.

[indy007]

Originally posted by Donzo
No.

Run along now.

Go read the host change and wallow in self-pity.

[Donzo]

Host change?


Ok, I read it.

So what?

[Hammy]

Host change is a positive step in the right direction but still forces paying patrons into arenas they dont want to be in.

I eagerly await the arguments.

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by Hammy
Host change is a positive step in the right direction but still forces paying patrons into arenas they dont want to be in.

I eagerly await the arguments.

This is gonna be good ...  

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by Hammy
Host change is a positive step in the right direction but still forces paying patrons into arenas they dont want to be in.

I eagerly await the arguments.

Well, one wonders why you await these arguments, if you've already chosen to cancel your subscription.

Just a thought that I had.

- oldman