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Offline MrRiplEy[H]

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« on: October 11, 2006, 01:43:58 PM »
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« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2006, 01:48:26 PM »
Asteroid, dont fail me now!



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« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2006, 01:55:45 PM »
Hehe, this is just the tip of the iceberg.  There are going to be so many compatibility problems due to HDCP/DRM it will make you want to scream.

It ought to really hit the stretch sometime late next year.  Early adoptors of HD video equipment might find themselves in a world of hurt.

There are definately going to be 3 different HDMI specifications in the marketplace next year.  And at least 2 different implementations of HDCP.  There is a large amount of room for compatibility problems.
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« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2006, 02:00:15 PM »
a large metoroid would do the job just as well as an asteroid & they're about ten times more likely to be encountered
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« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2006, 02:21:38 PM »
Copy that.  what about comets?
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« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2006, 02:44:52 PM »
comets are just ice and dust, all show.
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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2006, 02:50:20 PM »
i think comets are comparativley rare, but there are several short period comets that intersect the earth's orbit.  comets are also not so well put together as rocky bodies & would blow up in the atmosphere pretty high up, but that would have consequences too.  the last big one of these over land, the Tunguska event, was about 100 years ago & they say the object was about 200' across & yielded an explosion similar to the largest nuclear weapons ever tested.  a big comet like Hale-Bopp (about 10 miles) would own us pretty hard, but the large metoroid, afaik, is a lot better a wager.
still, what do odd have to do with wishes or prayers?
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« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2006, 02:53:13 PM »
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Early adoptors of HD video equipment might find themselves in a world of hurt.



That would be me :mad: Component input only. When are we going to stop bending over and just taking it from these *******s. Forced to upgrade my perfectly good HD TV I paid $3,000 for a few years back just to use an upsampling DVD player or Blue Ray or HD DVD -- I'll just do without, thanks.

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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2006, 03:01:55 PM »
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Hehe, this is just the tip of the iceberg.  There are going to be so many compatibility problems due to HDCP/DRM it will make you want to scream.

It ought to really hit the stretch sometime late next year.  Early adoptors of HD video equipment might find themselves in a world of hurt.

There are definately going to be 3 different HDMI specifications in the marketplace next year.  And at least 2 different implementations of HDCP.  There is a large amount of room for compatibility problems.


Yep, these are the reasons I still have a CRT TV.   I enjoy Home Theater and love my KEF's, but have stalled deliberately on the TV because of these issues.
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« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2006, 03:05:44 PM »
As much as I REALLY want an HD Tv right now..I thin I'll wait
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« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2006, 03:14:57 PM »
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TiVo in peril

Say it aint so..


May I suggest that its not the end of the world? Its just TiVo
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« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2006, 03:20:25 PM »
I think the biggest problem with any of the HD television right now, is none (I am aware of) will tell you if the HDCP/HDMI port is upgradeable via software.

Of course, that is a bit of a problem as HDCP is supposed to be in hardware only.  But, none of the manufacturers talke about being able to update the system due to changes made in the specs.

Charon, people do not understand the technology involved with HD, so they cannot know what is happening with it.  As a result, they buy the stuff fully ignorant of what could happen.

Maybe one day a class action lawsuit will settle it, but that would be a bugger.  It would involve fighting against some of the larger companies/groups (Sony, Microsoft, Toshiba, NEC, Disney, MPAA, RIAA,...) in the world.
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« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2006, 03:25:41 PM »
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Charon, people do not understand the technology involved with HD, so they cannot know what is happening with it. As a result, they buy the stuff fully ignorant of what could happen.


When I bought the TV, DRM was't even on the radar (it was probably flying under the radar by then though -- a gleam in some accounants' and Lawyers' eyes). I decide to get an upsampling DVD player recently to replace the one that just died, started my research and had a real WTF moment. What do you mean it won't upsample through component!!! Then found out about Blue Ray and HD DVD with the "downsampling" to 480p over component. I didn't even know that recent HDMI was still up in the air.

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« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2006, 03:32:30 PM »
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Charon, people do not understand the technology involved with HD, so they cannot know what is happening with it.  As a result, they buy the stuff fully ignorant of what could happen.


Correct, they'd rather "impress their neighbors".
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« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2006, 03:40:38 PM »
DRM is not the mainstay of the HDMI connection.  HDCP (High Defination Copy Protection) is.  HDCP has been in the HD spec since day one.  It has changed, evolved, changed some more, been delayed and so on, but it has always been there.

It is a complicated implemetation which basically states that everything in the chain of the HD data path must provide HDCP question and answer tags.  

This is a big over simplification of what happens, but basically a DVD player would have to ask the TV if is supports HDCP (and the corresponding HD tag).  If the TV does not give back the right answer, then the DVD player must only supply whatever low res image the DVD provider decided on.  In some case, the DVD disc maker may have chosen to give you a blank screen through the HDMI port.  In other case, you may only get a low resolution image.

Currently, that tag which controls the resolution is not being used.  The committee decided to delay its implementation for a year.  Once it goes into effect on the media, then the current players and TV will have to honor the flag.  Of course, they currently do not.

How that situation will be dealt with is still in committee.  If the tag was implemented today, no one would be able to watch a high resolution movie on a DVD (HD or BluRay) which expected that tag.

It gets even more complicated when you want to watch an HD movie on your computer.  Currently, your DVD ROM drive, your video card, and monitor must support HDCP in order to play an HD content DVD in high resolution mode, once all the resolution tags are enabled in HDCP.

Fun stuff, eh?
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