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Offline Holden McGroin

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« Reply #30 on: October 15, 2006, 11:46:27 AM »
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Yeager, somehow I get the feeling that we are losing you to the darkside.

From all the information given to us, we only know that the guy was accidentally killed in a hostile war zone. .....


Yeager's point is that Cowboys,  John Wayne, Roy Rogers, Gene Autry....  these are icons of virtue.  The cowboy uses the code of the west to live by: Tip your hat to the ladies, help them down from tha carraige, form a posse to arrest the bad guy, protect the jail from the angry mob:  This icon is not something to be sullied by the unknowing euro masses.
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« Reply #31 on: October 15, 2006, 11:55:50 AM »
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Goto a warzone, **** happens. Unfortunate, but true.


It is no way to use that as an excuse to justify any action by your troops.

Malmedy Massacre, **** happens, unfotunate but true.
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« Reply #32 on: October 15, 2006, 12:15:03 PM »
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Yeager's point is that Cowboys,  John Wayne, Roy Rogers, Gene Autry....  these are icons of virtue.  The cowboy uses the code of the west to live by: Tip your hat to the ladies, help them down from tha carraige, form a posse to arrest the bad guy, protect the jail from the angry mob:  This icon is not something to be sullied by the unknowing euro masses.
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« Reply #33 on: October 15, 2006, 12:55:23 PM »
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http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/10/13/lloyd.inquest/index.html

I figure the fog of war and all that, but I take the time to read the article anyway.  Seems this poor UK news reporter was just doing his job covering a story about a war in progress when some iraqi insurgent shot him.


"Murder", defined (if memory serves from the academy), is the unlawful killing of a human being or fetus with malice aforethought.

I don't see any 'mens rea'  from our troops in this incident.
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« Reply #34 on: October 15, 2006, 01:19:49 PM »
I wonder if beetle ever considered becoming a UK reporter?   :rofl
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« Reply #35 on: October 15, 2006, 03:06:50 PM »
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Yeager's point is that Cowboys,  John Wayne, Roy Rogers, Gene Autry....  these are icons of virtue.  The cowboy uses the code of the west to live by: Tip your hat to the ladies, help them down from tha carraige, form a posse to arrest the bad guy, protect the jail from the angry mob:  This icon is not something to be sullied by the unknowing euro masses.


I agree wholeheartedly! Cowboys are hardworking decent people, and I want to see the old western movies without this additional baggage. The reputation of cowboys should not be sullied by the behavior of US soldiers in Iraq, they are nothing alike!
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« Reply #36 on: October 15, 2006, 03:19:47 PM »
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Yeager's point is that Cowboys,  John Wayne, Roy Rogers, Gene Autry....  these are icons of virtue.  The cowboy uses the code of the west to live by: Tip your hat to the ladies, help them down from tha carraige, form a posse to arrest the bad guy, protect the jail from the angry mob:  This icon is not something to be sullied by the unknowing euro masses.

Ha!Code of the west?It's called ETHICKET,something that was arround well before all knowing US masses.
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« Reply #37 on: October 15, 2006, 03:23:01 PM »
See Rule #4
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« Reply #38 on: October 15, 2006, 03:33:30 PM »
these guys need to be brought to account for their actions..their families (reporter, camera man, translator) should at least get an explanation...
yes #### happens in a war zone.. but these people were fired upon by us troops.. they tried to flee and were shot again...

shame on the guys that did this
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« Reply #39 on: October 15, 2006, 03:43:31 PM »
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these guys need to be brought to account for their actions..their families (reporter, camera man, translator) should at least get an explanation...
yes #### happens in a war zone.. but these people were fired upon by us troops.. they tried to flee and were shot again...

shame on the guys that did this


You do realize dont you that this incident happened in 2003, that the Iraqi army troops were enemy fighting against us, and the reporter was with them dont you?  He was placed in a vehicle with the Iraq army troops attempting to leave the fight when he was shot.  Do you have any way to verify the troops knew this was a civilian and a reporter in the same vehicle with the Iraq troops?

Do you think allowing enemy to run off or be taken off without consequence is typical in war?

Look at all the facts, consider reality versus a TV and movie reality, and be careful in passing judgements on troops if you dont reallly know all the facts.
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« Reply #40 on: October 15, 2006, 03:59:36 PM »
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The reputation of cowboys should not be sullied by the behavior of US soldiers in Iraq, they are nothing alike!


I suppose you have all the information about this incident and have come to a fair and impartial conclusion, based on the rules of evidence.

Looks like we may have to cowboy up and guard the jail....
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« Reply #41 on: October 15, 2006, 04:34:54 PM »
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hey testicle, it's our  troops, btw.  

unfortunate is the product of war, and unfortunately the conflict goes on.


excuse me? our troops? i didn't see any British troops involved in that shooting, i may be mistaken though.

all i am saying is, you cannot use "**** happens" as an excuse for soldiers misconduct.  if they murder someone through negligence or being trigger happy they should be investigated and brought to trial if they are found guilty.

i would expect the same no matter what nationality is involved.
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« Reply #42 on: October 15, 2006, 04:57:34 PM »
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excuse me? our troops? and so on...........


yep buddy, we're lumped together for the time being.  that means we'll respect your troops and you'll respect ours.  now, let's make "nice-nice", before you breakup this whole coalition thing.
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« Reply #43 on: October 15, 2006, 05:22:34 PM »
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Cav you're nothing but a blind incult cretin.


I will stand in the corner of any serviceman or woman who wears a US military uniform, until they are proven guilty by a court of law...These are the greatest people my county has to offer, and I will by default, give them the benifit of the doubt, until told otherwise by a court of law...

It's called Pride in the men and women in uniform who serve my country.....If loving, and supporting these soldiers, through thick and thin makes me a "blind, incult cretin", then I am damn proud to be one!

ps-  Whens the next work riot scheduled?
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« Reply #44 on: October 15, 2006, 06:37:34 PM »
Lets never let the facts get in the way of a good flame fest. Keep'm commin!
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