Author Topic: so long habeus corpus. (Read 7477 times)

2Slow · « **Reply #120 on:** October 20, 2006, 12:20:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Viking
An exceptional speech. ~~Mr. Olbermann. A true patriot and dare I say American.~~

He does have some fine points. This is a Madison event. One should read the law. It does not say "aliens", is says "persons." I would hazard that "citizens" may find themselves in Gitmo or worse. We, however, won't know of this until many years later. Unless one is one of the "citizens" that is snatched up in the name of National Security.

I fear a shadow is falling upon the land.

Bluefish · « **Reply #121 on:** October 20, 2006, 12:41:32 PM »

What law says "persons"?

Shamus · « **Reply #122 on:** October 20, 2006, 01:06:00 PM »

luckster, are you saying that non-citizen legal residents are not afforded any protections under the Bill of Rights?

shamus

1K3 · « **Reply #123 on:** October 20, 2006, 01:12:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Mickey1992
Olbermann sums it up nicely.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15321167/

Daaaaamn man you beat me to it!:p I was gonna post that video too...

That was a nice delivery:aok This makes Bill O'Reilly look like a sweetheartbag in comparison

lukster · « **Reply #124 on:** October 20, 2006, 01:15:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Shamus
luckster, are you saying that non-citizen legal residents are not afforded any protections under the Bill of Rights?

shamus

Good question Shamus. I haven't studied this but think legal non-citizen residents are offered limited protection under our Constitution by special provision but they do not enjoy all of it's entitlements. For example, a legal alien may not vote and may be deported under circumstances for which a citizen may not.

2Slow · « **Reply #125 on:** October 20, 2006, 01:18:17 PM »

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Originally posted by Bluefish
What law says "persons"?

The new one President Bush just signed. The one allowing for the capture, interrogation, and prosecution of illegal combatants.

RedRadr · « **Reply #126 on:** October 20, 2006, 02:53:44 PM »

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Originally posted by oboe
That was well worth watching, Mickey-- thanks. Olbermann reminds me alot of Edward R Murrow. Hope he stays on the air after that.

I remember when he had a pony-tail and ear stud on espn.

he gives twits a bad name

john9001 · « **Reply #127 on:** October 20, 2006, 03:32:48 PM »

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Originally posted by 2Slow
The new one President Bush just signed. The one allowing for the capture, interrogation, and prosecution of illegal combatants.

my advice to any enemy is to be a legal combatant, join a army and put on a uniform, then they will be treated as POW's.

lukster · « **Reply #128 on:** October 20, 2006, 03:38:42 PM »

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Originally posted by 1K3
Daaaaamn man you beat me to it!:p I was gonna post that video too...

That was a nice delivery:aok This makes Bill O'Reilly look like a sweetheartbag in comparison

Nice delivery? Nothing but a fear mongering, politically motivated diatribe. Here's a much more reasoned opinion.

http://judiciary.senate.gov/print_testimony.cfm?id=2416&wit_id=5775

Stoney74 · « **Reply #129 on:** October 20, 2006, 03:43:34 PM »

For those of you just joining us, from an earlier post...

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(e)(1) No court, justice, or judge shall have jurisdiction to hear or consider an application for a writ of habeas corpus filed by or on behalf of an alien detained by the United States who has been determined by the United States to have been properly detained as an enemy combatant or is awaiting such determination.
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(3) ALIEN- The term `alien' means a person who is not a citizen of the United States.

lukster · « **Reply #130 on:** October 20, 2006, 03:44:58 PM »

I think we oughta inject each of those prisoners at Guantanamo with a tracking chip that cannot be removed then turn 'em loose. Might come in real handy later.

Chairboy · « **Reply #131 on:** October 20, 2006, 03:47:18 PM »

D'ya all really feel comfortable with the fact that these people haven't been charged with anything? Why is this?

lukster · « **Reply #132 on:** October 20, 2006, 03:47:38 PM »

Without reading the context can I assume that this is distinguishing between lawful enemy combatants and unlawful enemy combatants?

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Originally posted by Stoney74
For those of you just joining us, from an earlier post...

excerpt from the act
(e)(1) No court, justice, or judge shall have jurisdiction to hear or consider an application for a writ of habeas corpus filed by or on behalf of an alien detained by the United States who has been determined by the United States to have been properly detained as an enemy combatant or is awaiting such determination.
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excerpt from the act
(3) ALIEN- The term `alien' means a person who is not a citizen of the United States.

lukster · « **Reply #133 on:** October 20, 2006, 03:49:05 PM »

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Originally posted by Chairboy
D'ya all really feel comfortable with the fact that these people haven't been charged with anything? Why is this?

Did we charge the many thousands of German and Japanese soldiers taken prisoner on the battlefield during WWII? Do you have a problem with that?

Stoney74 · « **Reply #134 on:** October 20, 2006, 03:56:40 PM »

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Originally posted by lukster
Without reading the context can I assume that this is distinguishing between lawful enemy combatants and unlawful enemy combatants?

It's the language in the bill that defines who the law applies to. Notice the definition of "alien" that is also included in the text of the law. The definition of unlawful enemy combatant is contained in the Geneva Conventions, although I'd have to look that up.