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Re: Re: Re: Theater of War
« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2006, 07:45:34 PM »
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Why is that a bad thing if it wasn't done by the same people who rippedoff.. I mean designed IL2? TOW is a strategy game anyway, not a sim or an fps.


Care to backup that accusation?  What did Oleg ‘rippedoff’?

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« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2006, 08:05:16 PM »
You never played Jane's ?
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« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2006, 08:12:18 PM »
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You never played Jane's ?


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« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2006, 08:21:59 PM »
Yeah, and what were your first thoughts when you sparked up IL2 for the first time?

Here's some screenies.

http://www.combatsim.com/htm/dec98/ww2-rev3.htm

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« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2006, 08:25:35 PM »
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Yeah, and what were your first thoughts when you sparked up IL2 for the first time?

Here's some screenies.

http://www.combatsim.com/htm/dec98/ww2-rev3.htm


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« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2006, 08:47:17 PM »
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Yeah, and what were your first thoughts when you sparked up IL2 for the first time?

Here's some screenies.

http://www.combatsim.com/htm/dec98/ww2-rev3.htm


My first thought? It looks awesome! (At that time I had top of the line system…..)
But if one sets visual options to low, there is a resemblance to Jane’s WW2F. And if one sets options even lower, there is a resemblance to Fighters Over Europe. So I guess Oleg ripped off Jane’s by creating a flight sim set in same time? By that logic every other simulation created after Jane’s is a rippoff…. Or is it Jane that ripped off Fighters Over Europe?    


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« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2006, 08:48:02 PM »
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Yeah, and what were your first thoughts when you sparked up IL2 for the first time?




"Wow, this leaves Janes WWII Fighters for dead"

Not to mention every other (offline) WWII air combat sim ever produced to that date, and a few that have since been released.

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« Reply #22 on: October 27, 2006, 09:00:48 PM »
Well ..  I miss Panzer General .. and Panzer Battles (the board game from way back) .. and Squad Leader ..and Squad Leader:Iron Cross ..and Mechwar (also board games) .. and even Close Combat (I mean ..it was cool that they actually put in the animation and sounds of a tank running over some poor grunt who couldnt get out of the way ;)

To me it looks like ToW may be the one to fill that hole since I no longer have the desire to setup and run a 3-day tactical re-enactment of Combat Command A, 3rd Army, crossing the Rhine on the run against elements of the 2nd SS, Wermacht ad-hoc elements, and a pillbox. (I remember parkin a King Tiger on a hill top with a clear field of fire from bridge approach, down main street, and most of the fields outside town.. the crew abandoned the Tiger after goin bingo ammo ..it had been de-tracked by then )(3 P-47 air strikes just to manage that), but had 30+ AFV kills .. all in a days work for a King :)

I *like* small unit tactics. Would be cool to setup the ambush of Hoth's Panzers in the last battle of Kursk, when the T-34 proved once and for all that they could shoot Tigers up just fine ..if they got close enough.. among so many other battles to choose from ;)

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« Reply #23 on: October 27, 2006, 10:06:50 PM »
Yeah, a resemblance, as in all of the options are the same. Gunsight view, bringup guages, wingman view, target view etc. Even the key commands are the same lol, wingmen dialog and subtitles presentation, layout and font, the sun, sky, clouds, even the same weird violet twilight. Damn the ID font is the same. BTW with 3rd party mods janes has higher res skins than IL2 allows.

Anybody who has played jane's and IL2 and says that the similarities aren't uncanny isn't being honest with themselves. I think most people in the flight sim community have known more or less  that IL2 was built on jane's. If there had been no jane's wwII fighters there would be no IL2 today. True there are some who will vehemently deny it, but I think you'll find that they're types who seldom let reason cloud their emotions. That could be said for any brand loyalist. Be it WWIIOL or Mac.

Well oleg did say that janes wwii was his favorite game and you'll notice that some of his people have built mods for jane's.

Don't take my word for it, get yourself a copy of Jane's, you probably won't even need to remap your keys. And try some of the hi-res mods for it. I haven't tried them but the screenies look very good, instrument glass reflections that move etc.

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« Reply #24 on: October 27, 2006, 10:07:33 PM »
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"Wow, this leaves Janes WWII Fighters for dead"

Not to mention every other (offline) WWII air combat sim ever produced to that date, and a few that have since been released.


Jane's was long dead before even AH came out.

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« Reply #25 on: October 28, 2006, 09:20:58 AM »
Apparently you didn’t understand. I do (did) have WW2F and enjoyed it tremendously. You’re the one who needs to run IL2 on system other than hamster wheel powered 486. There is a very large following of IL2 series, and it’s not because of terrible product quality. If they share similarities, which I’m unaware of, maybe because those things make flight sim better. Just because most of flight sims mapped G key to gear, doesn’t make it a rippoff.

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« Reply #26 on: April 18, 2007, 07:34:40 AM »
Demo came out yesterday and the game releases tomorrow.

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« Reply #27 on: April 18, 2007, 05:06:29 PM »
Have we come a long way since Steel Panther :)
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« Reply #28 on: April 18, 2007, 06:23:12 PM »
Looks really cool. Will be getting as soon as the first patch or two hit the street.

BTW, anybody want to buy my copy of Company of Heroes? Barely used. Great PC Mag rating. Good RTS game I guess, if you really like that sort of thing. I found out I don't like the pure top down RTS, though Battle Zone 1 is still one of my top 5 games of all times.

I know this is a general RTS type format, but it seems to be more of a true war game.

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« Reply #29 on: April 18, 2007, 07:37:42 PM »
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Maddox Games (developers of IL2) did not work on ToW, majority of work on it was done by a different team from 1C. But since both of teams are under 1C, using some weird logic one could conclude that Il2 develops did work on ToW. It sure looks good to unaware on-lookers…


1C is a software dev company that is an accounting soft monopoly here in Russia.

I want to meet their accounting soft programmers face to face. They are awesome. I have to wipe their excrements all around - their product is unbelievable.

If the above mentioned game will be made by the same accounting team - then you'll have to install update into special temp folder then running a "merge" procedure that will lead to a total system crash and XP re-install. Installing an update right into an 1C folder will kill everything in your previous experience.

You may joke - but I have to support this epic crap...