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« Reply #45 on: October 23, 2006, 03:38:25 PM »
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Again, this is another part of basic economics.  Since you didn't understand microeconomics, I wouldn't think you'd understand macroeconomics.


Right.. I see, the problem is circumenvented by refusing to pay back the debt.

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« Reply #46 on: October 23, 2006, 03:55:29 PM »
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Right.. I see, the problem is circumenvented by refusing to pay back the debt.

just wondering what the tax rates in finland are these days? a gallon of gas?
sorry, no one in their right mind is going to vote for higher taxes .. unless it is some robin hood dem (then again I stated 'right mind') trying to tax the rich to give it to the poor, their voting base..
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« Reply #47 on: October 23, 2006, 04:00:15 PM »
a gallon of gas in finland is hovering around $8.00 according to my dad who just returned from a baltic cruise.

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« Reply #48 on: October 23, 2006, 04:03:10 PM »
It has more to do with the state of the economy, then it does as a measurement of debt.  Or the paying back of debt.

You can either do a balanced economy, or you can do a balanced budget.  Doing one can be worse for the either.  


Bush was handed an economy as it was tanking.  One of the plays out of the Macroeconomic playbook is to cut taxes and increase government spending.  While this does raise the debt, it helps the economy grow.

On the other hand, if the economy is growing, you want to inhibit it from going too fast.  If it grows too fast, inflation will go up just as fast and ruin it all.  So you cut spending and raise taxes.  It seems counterintuitive, but you have to trust that it works.

The other thing you have to trust is that it will always have cycles.  It will always go up, and it will always go down.  It is a cycle.  The question is, how much will it cycle.  It can have good ups (90's internet boom), and it can have big downs (great depression).  But more often then not, it has small swings.  Taxes and Govt. spending are direct controls.  The Federal Reserve and their control of interest rates (and something else) are minor controls.  You spend to get yourself out of a recession, you save when you're in a boom.
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« Reply #49 on: October 23, 2006, 04:30:31 PM »
OMFG, that troll OWNS!!!!!!1

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« Reply #50 on: October 23, 2006, 04:56:58 PM »
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Did you notice the part about tax revenues being at an all time high AFTER the Bush tax cuts? That's more money than the government has ever taken in before from taxes.

Tax cuts work every time.


It doesnt work when the natl debt is $10,000,000,000,000.00 dollars.  Just to put this in midle class terms, lets say you were allowed to rack up a $220,000.00 debt on your credit cards and then pass that debt along to the govt with no strings attached.  The total taxes YOU pay on the items you purchase whould be at an all time high simply because you are spending way more money in a way shorter period than ever before.  I use that 220,000.00 dollar mark because that is approxamately what each houshold in USA debt is to our govts creditors.  That doesnt include the high interest rates or your own personal debt.

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« Reply #51 on: October 23, 2006, 05:12:19 PM »
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The easiest answer is that democrats believe in equality of outcome.  


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And the republicans just change the laws and oversights in order to steal the unsuspecting working man blind at a mind boggling rate.  Once again, the middle man pays.

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« Reply #52 on: October 23, 2006, 05:36:09 PM »
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And the republicans just change the laws and oversights in order to steal the unsuspecting working man blind at a mind boggling rate.  Once again, the middle man pays.


I'm a working man and my taxes have decreased since Bush has been in office.

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« Reply #53 on: October 23, 2006, 09:33:16 PM »
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mietla.... beat me to it.  Libertarians  believe in eqaulity of opportunity while socialist and democrats believe in equality of outcome.

Afirmitive action and such are perfect examples of trying to get an equal outcome...  "Hate crimes" are an attempt and getting an equal outcome... neither has anything to do with equality of opportunity.  Our tax system is meant to punish those who work the hardest and reward those who work  the least.  This is classic equality of outcome at the expense of any real equality of opportunity.

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Oh please.

Affirmative action is ALL about equal opportunity. Leveling the playing field and giving everyone a chance regardless of the circumstances set up by past history and present prejudice. No one who ever got into a college based on affirmative action was ever guaranteed a degree, just a chance at one. You and Meitla can define people all you wish, but that doesn't make your definitions factual, just repetitive.

Hate crime legislation has been passed by most States and the Federal govt. I'm pretty sure this would not be possible unless it had bipartisan support. So your assignment of this little gem to the democrats is another logical falacy. But keep on trying guys, this is fun stuff.

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« Reply #54 on: October 23, 2006, 09:43:33 PM »
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Oh please.

Affirmative action is ALL about equal opportunity.


I strongly dissagree. Affirmative action is racism.

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« Reply #55 on: October 23, 2006, 10:12:59 PM »
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Affirmative action is ALL about equal opportunity. Leveling the playing field and giving everyone a chance regardless of the circumstances set up by past history and present prejudice.


Wow, you are just so off here.

If one person gets bonus points because of his race before grades, ability or history come into effect...


THEN IT IS NOT A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD.
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« Reply #56 on: October 23, 2006, 10:20:13 PM »
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Oh please.

Affirmative action is ALL about equal opportunity. Leveling the playing field and giving everyone a chance regardless of the circumstances set up by past history and present prejudice. No one who ever got into a college based on affirmative action was ever guaranteed a degree, just a chance at one. You and Meitla can define people all you wish, but that doesn't make your definitions factual, just repetitive.

Hate crime legislation has been passed by most States and the Federal govt. I'm pretty sure this would not be possible unless it had bipartisan support. So your assignment of this little gem to the democrats is another logical falacy. But keep on trying guys, this is fun stuff.
affirmative action has watered down our educational system to the point where we are no longer competetive on the world stage.  if you don't think so then you probably rationalize other things as well.

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« Reply #57 on: October 23, 2006, 10:36:28 PM »
I agree with Midnight Target, all that affirmative action does is give someone a chance at a degree.  There is definately not a representitive percentage of african-americans in college.

So is affirmative action the reason that the U.S. may be falling behind in education?  Nah.  The reasons are (1) education and knowledge aren't  highly valued in the U.S., and (2) motivation for education is lessened from living in such a modern, luxurious society.

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« Reply #58 on: October 23, 2006, 10:40:46 PM »
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I agree with Midnight Target, all that affirmative action does is give someone a chance at a degree.  There is definately not a representitive percentage of african-americans in college.

 


If someone has the brains, talent and drive and can earn a degree, then they should not be denied a degree.

Afirmative action only looks at race, not merit.

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« Reply #59 on: October 24, 2006, 05:57:34 AM »
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I agree with Midnight Target, all that affirmative action does is give someone a chance at a degree.  There is definately not a representitive percentage of african-americans in college.


nor poor white boys but the gov doesn't step in there and hand them cash as readily. But affirmative action doesn't stop with education, it is a card they can play the rest of their lives with lawyers to back them up...
We need reverse affirmative action in professional sports just to even things up :)
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