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Offline mustard

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« Reply #45 on: October 24, 2006, 11:37:05 AM »
i dont give a dam about multiple arenas and numbers. my legitimate gripe is that i can not find the beer and popcorn on my clipboard.are there palms that need greasing for this feature? if so, who's?

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« Reply #46 on: October 24, 2006, 11:40:09 AM »
:huh  Um, I think Schatzi just called us a bunch of chickens.
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« Reply #47 on: October 24, 2006, 11:56:43 AM »
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Let me give you an example taken from mother nature.

Poulty can be kept in groups. They start fighting each other untill they settle on a stable hierarchy. Once they are settled in, it is a healthy community. You can add new chicken and they will fit themselves somewhere in the ranks... untill you reach a critical number (around 100 animals). Then the hierarchy breaks apart. The individuals nolonger "know" each other and their places - they start constant fighting, resulting in stress, injuries and reduced productivity.

 


Did she just call us a flock of chickens?:huh

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« Reply #48 on: October 24, 2006, 02:22:27 PM »
One big differerence between animals and AH player might be that we can form communities within communities and they can co-exist without bothering each other. I dont think those chickens could just form e.g. 4 families of 30 chickens and live together.

Frankly, it is difficult for me to see why an arena of 300 players should be considered spilt as 3 communitoes of 100 in each.. or is teh whole 300 considered as a community?
I dont even consider all friendly players (=of teh same country) to belong to "my community". My community are those who I haev flown with and have learned to co-operate with. All others are either enemies... whose names I would not even need to know, even though it is sometimes nice to face some known enemies... or they are friendlies whose names I may recognize.

Still what matters to me is "my community", which is small.. and which is currently pretty scattered. The social or behavioral difference with current several small arenas and the previous 1 big MA (to me personally) are:

Previously: possibility to gather some from my community to common missions, but still sometimes fly alone in which ever plane and just listen to what is happening. Always fights to choose between.. ability to find different kind of fights... big and small. Ability to form bigger (e.g. 15 player) missions from "my community" without unbalancing the arena.

Nowadays: trying to find where people are, trying to make choises between number of familiar people/number of available enemies/available ride types/possibility to enter the arena.

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Of cource I must believe that these changes have been made for justified reasons, but these reasons are not really too clear to common players... the MA was said to be quantifiably unhealthy (?)... and that it was not a hardware issue. Medications usually always work for the problem, but they als ooften have side effects. In some cases the side effects exceed the positive effects.

For me personally (a very subjective opinion) the game play possibilities and "my community" were much healthier previously. Now they are fading away :(

Nowadays the only ways to mend the situation temporarily are the special events and some rare attempts to rally enough people from the community to same arena at same time for some shared fun... if they can enter.. and if there are enough enemies. These people are not available like they were before, now lots of extra work and good luck are required.


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« Reply #49 on: October 24, 2006, 03:24:21 PM »
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that's good overlag cause if you were we would have to tell you it isn't working...

I think most here have heard that the guys doing the most complaining tho are the ones who claim it has destroyed their idea of "community"

Now, your complaint used to be that you fly overseas hours so you never had many to fly with in any case... now less... this is valid and I can see your point but now you seem to have morphed into.... you can't fly these massive multiplayer missunzzzz.   If you never could then you can't really miss em eh?

It is not that we all want to date each other but.... a smaller arena makes people polite.... just as everyone waves and smiles at each other in a small town and every large city is a filthy slum filled with frieghtened unfriedly people....The more sardines you pack in the less they interact.

I would suggest that you misssunzzz guys would be happy with an unlimited arena where you could only sign onto one side and the other 2 sides were Ai.

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i play this game 24/7..... some days i will play P.M, some days i will fly A.M (US peak), and whatever.... the only period i DONT fly here is 6-11am.

because of this i never had much issue with finding/getting to know people, and i also see both aspects of the game.

Before change we had 60-120people off peak (12-7pm) in one arena, which was, i would agree a GOOD mix for a few fights (not furballs, i hate them), or GV battles and kept me happy with that part of the game... After about 11pm the numbers would stedly rise upto 600+ish and it was the war game i liked.

Im not one to join one of those 40 fighters attacking one base, but not protecting the goon mission guys.. I like the buff, escort or anti buff missions that used to happen all the time on maps like Trinity.

The old way i had both methods of game play and BOTH i liked.

Since change 2, at offpeak LW1 is almost always full, and all the others are empty, there isnt really a game anymore. Now ive asked nicely and stopped whining like a baby like i did on the first day of the 2nd change, but nothing seems to be happening to fix this.

 I asked for the rolling cap or whatever it was called to be tweaked so it STARTS at 60 (60-80-120-180-etc)... ie lower, not higher like you would expect me to want. This would make 2, accessable 60-80 player arenas during offpeak, PERFECT. However unless ht is deleting my posts he doesnt comment on the calm thought out ones. But then being the only game like this in the world, he can do what he wants (like microsoft). If you dont like the way HT have messed the game up you have to quit flying WWII planes and find another hobby.

DONT mention WWIIOL.... while the ground fights are great, the FM is absolutely TERRIBLE.
« Last Edit: October 24, 2006, 03:26:59 PM by Overlag »
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Hmm...
« Reply #50 on: October 24, 2006, 03:46:09 PM »
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i play this game 24/7..... some days i will play P.M, some days i will fly A.M (US peak), and whatever.... the only period i DONT fly here is 6-11am.


Overlag...get a life:D

The point is:

I never mentioned the life without AH;)

OK. I agree....I may be provoking, but, at least; this kind of  conversation will be the result of my provocation. Iīm happy with that.

But...the BIG BUT is...

Why donīt HTC organize a poll or something like "Gallup-quiz" to find out, what the customers really want???
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Re: Hmm...
« Reply #51 on: October 24, 2006, 04:01:09 PM »
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Overlag...get a life:D



hehe not in the same day! :eek:

lets see

monday, mostly primetime (10pm till 4am range)
tuesdays, mostly primetime (10pm till 2am range)
wednesdays, primetime (11pm till 5am range)
thursdays, day off anywhere between 11am till 5am, depends what im doing
friday, day off anywhere between 11am till 5am, depends what im doing
Saturday, often out on piss up, but sometimes here (11pm till 5am)
sunday, day off anywhere between 11am till 5am, depends what im doing

on average 2 hours a day over a 30 day period... not much at all
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« Reply #52 on: October 24, 2006, 04:04:01 PM »
monday:ROFL
tuesday:ROFL
wednesday:ROFL
thursday:ROFL
friday:ROFL
saturday:ROFL
sunday:...OOPS
:D
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« Reply #53 on: October 24, 2006, 04:06:50 PM »
Ford used to build only black cars,untill 1920s , and if peoples complained about they didn't care, cuz was no competition or other carmaker afordable/ reliable.
Same here,Competions bring better quality/customers service,
 I hope some more ww2 flight sim massive multiplayer come on the market

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« Reply #54 on: October 24, 2006, 04:13:19 PM »
Ford might not be the best automaker to draw a parallel with.
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« Reply #55 on: October 24, 2006, 04:30:56 PM »
Did Cadillac it better?;-)
...or americans all the way?

For some 20 years ago...some american automobile manufacturers decided to make the "best sportscar in the world, far beyond ferraris and porsches"...with all the support of american industry; Mentally, technologically and with all the heritage of american knowledge.

The result was " The Vector"
A nice car.


After these 20 years...
Whatīs left?

Ferrari wins the F1 Championship
Porsche wins LeMans
Toyota wins Nascar...


As american, I wouldīnt keep my pride so high...
As a matter of fact; as american...I would learn some things in a serious way again.

To be humble is a privilege.


P.S. God save the...Zuum:D

Thank god(whatever; God, Allah or Jahve), Iīm finnish:D :rofl
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« Reply #56 on: October 24, 2006, 04:36:20 PM »
ghi: We already have comptition. 2 games are 100 % direct competitors.

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« Reply #57 on: October 24, 2006, 04:48:54 PM »
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Did Cadillac it better?;-)
...or americans all the way?

For some 20 years ago...some american automobile manufacturers decided to make the "best sportscar in the world, far beyond ferraris and porsches"...with all the support of american industry; Mentally, technologically and with all the heritage of american knowledge.

The result was " The Vector"
A nice car.


After these 20 years...
Whatīs left?

Ferrari wins the F1 Championship
Porsche wins LeMans
Toyota wins Nascar...


As american, I wouldīnt keep my pride so high...
As a matter of fact; as american...I would learn some things in a serious way again.

To be humble is a privilege.


P.S. God save the...Zuum:D

Thank god(whatever; God, Allah or Jahve), Iīm finnish:D :rofl


What I'm saying, Zuum, is that Ford isn't exactly what I would call the pinnacle of automotive success. Ford produced a great deal of variety for a great deal of people, which would be great, if they weren't firing so many people.
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« Reply #58 on: October 24, 2006, 05:00:47 PM »
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Wrong.

To quote Pyro:



The issue is not field density, its not plane density. Its community SIZE, not density.

My graduating class had 72 people in it, and my entire high school had about 300. I KNEW everyone who went there. Now, if we multiplied that by 4  -- and put 1200 kids in a school that was 4 times as big, would I still know them all? OF COURSE NOT.

You cant know a group of 250-300 regulars the same way you would a group of 700. Banter will be lost in the text scroll; even worse, the few jerks around would fill the buffer with what amounts to community poison. Look at the posts new guys have made -- how the small arenas have helped them connect to others and learn the game better.

Even though you liked the huge numbers, there are obviously manyothers who did not. The NET EFFECT has been an increase in logged on players, according to HT's postings last week.

How much will it take for you to stop ranting and just adapt to the new reality?






So what type of controls do you use to keep the same 250-300 together every time they log on?

Whats the odds of 30 squad mates all getting in the same arena at the same time?

How do you prevent for example, 250 rooks, 25 knights and 25 bishops in a on 300 player arena.  It would be a disaster.  and it could happen easy.
When you log in you see the number and figure there are too many on your team so you will have every on getting in your way or on the other teams, well if you like 11 to 1 odds you are OK.

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« Reply #59 on: October 24, 2006, 05:03:04 PM »
I totally agree with Blauk here.

I rarely feel the need to complain about the sim itself...

...the most important thing for me in this sim is the same small community of finns which Blauk is talking about...and right know we really have tough time flying together like we have used to.

As a distant second comes the fact that the current system isn't really working during off-peak hours.

I really like the fact that there are different arenas that give a chance to different planes. But at the same time I would like to see tools like the one that Stang/Blauk suggested in the other thread. I also would like to see other radio-channels over the arenas than just the squad-channel. There are members of "my community" as Blauk put it in different squads but we still share the same Vox-channel. It would be nice if this channel would (as a text channel) work over the arenas.
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