FW190 recovered in Norway

[47Hooker]

Originally posted by Hawco
Nope, I just remember what my Grandfather told me what the Nazis were like and I thank God that they never won the war, I don't see these things as pieces of history, I see them as instruments of an evil empire that was crushed.
And lay of the insults too, you know sh$t about me and why I think like this.

You won't find many people that have anything good to say about Nazis, their beliefs or, more horribly, their actions during WW2.  Their aircraft and vehicles however, are souless pieces of machinery just like our hardware.  They were/are without question fine pieces of machinery that inspire awe and rightfully deserve a special place in history and are very much deserving of preservation.

You, Sir, are absolutely entitled to your opionion.  But consider this:  A vast majority of people can only read about WW2 and see pictures and watch videos.  A person that actually lays eyes on or touches an actual instrument of that terrible era gets instilled in them the REALITY of that war.  This aircraft will serve that very purpose.

[Overlag]

Originally posted by Hawco
Just another piece of German junk that should have stayed in the water to rot.

why post in this topic if you have nothing good to say about it?

these planes was for the german airforce, just like the US airforce planes.

the planes have NOTHING to do with nazi rule.

i suppose you feel the same about regular german soldiers?

[Spatula]

Wow! amazing its in such good condition. Looks like its only been down there for a decade, not 6.

Looking at that 190-A's in Norway page that someone linked, im stunned to see how many were lost to non-combat reasons like hard landings, or engine failures etc. I only saw a small handfull which were lost in combat. Or it that page not representative of the real picture?

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by Overlag
i suppose you feel the same about regular german soldiers?

(quietly raises hand)

.....well....er.....I DO!

But that's a topic to be re-re-re-discussed in a different forum some other day.

- oldman (heck, the poor airplane had no choice)

[Overlag]

ok, so i guess the German soldier was about spreading Nazi rule...... but then isn't the US soldier about spreading US views/systems??? This great wars to spread of democracy is not unlike the militaristic spread of Nazism or communism....hmmmm I really need a picture of a open can of worms.

the armed forces fight for there country, not for there political party

the airforce, navy and army have nothing to do with nazi's, except for the hard liner SS troops etc.

[Kweassa]

I don't see these things as pieces of history, I see them as instruments of an evil empire that was crushed.

 Okay!

 Then why don't you just go call all Austro/German AH gamers 'Nazi descendants', or 'heirs to an evil empire' as well? After all, its in their blood - their gramps had all been a part of the evil empire, right?

 Man, those BMWs and Benzs.. stupid Nazi machinery from Nazi-era corporations, right?

 Under that logic, I think I loosely fit as an "evil Axis descendant" also, since my grandfather was a low-ranking local bureacrat when Korea was under Japanese rule in those days.

 ...



"A sense of justice without a brain and a heart is no different from prejudice and bigotry." - kweassa

[Overlag]

aye, i have german "roots" in my family tree.... i guess im nazi

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Oldman731
(quietly raises hand)

.....well....er.....I DO!

But that's a topic to be re-re-re-discussed in a different forum some other day.

- oldman (heck, the poor airplane had no choice)

Yer a moron

[Mister Fork]

Wow. Rubber on tire is still intact.  Freshwater?

[stickpig]

http://www.luftwaffe.no/wreck/index.htm

More here

[nirvana]

Welcome back  Beautiful plane, seaweed and all.

[thndregg]

Originally posted by Hawco
Nope, I just remember what my Grandfather told me what the Nazis were like and I thank God that they never won the war, I don't see these things as pieces of history, I see them as instruments of an evil empire that was crushed.
And lay of the insults too, you know sh$t about me and why I think like this.

Like it or not, the fact remains that the pilot of that aircraft probably served and fought with honor for his country, no matter what that country's beleifs were. He did his duty, much the same as the allies did thiers.

On another note of the same subject: keep in mind there still are German veterans still alive that have made peace with thier allied counterparts. Some that have stared intently at each other through gunsights in the past have now become the best of friends and have grown beyond thier differences.

[Overlag]

Originally posted by Mister Fork
Wow. Rubber on tire is still intact.  Freshwater?

also very very cold water

[DREDIOCK]

Remember.
Not all Germans were Nazis
 Not even all Nazis were evil

Just like not all Democrats or Republicans are Evil here.

Just the diehard members of the parties.

There is nothing dishonarable about serving and fighting for your country reguardless of what country that is.

ITs what you as an individual do while in service of your country that dictates whether you where honorable or not.

Not all German soldiers were evil brutes

Many faught and died well and with honor as well as their allied counterparts

As a counterpoint.
there are many in the USA not to mention worldwide who beleive we are wrongly in Iraq. And there have been instances of what many would call atrocities done by american soldeirs or other brances of the government.
Now would you be willing to say that all American soldiers are evil and without honor because they are serving and fighitng for a country that many beleive is an illegal war and has commited atrocities?
Orrr would youonly blame the ones in power for causing it and those brances of the governmen and specific soldiers who have commited atrocities?

Same can be said for some Isrealie soldiers as well

I dont care what your background is
You cant have it both ways
where EVERYONE is bad because a portion of them has done wrong.
Cept when its your country

[DREDIOCK]

Now that Im done with that rant.

Nice plane.
What was the armament on those things?