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« Reply #105 on: November 04, 2006, 05:00:07 PM »
nope tax freedom day is when you are theoretically done with all your tax burden for the year.  this year it's actually April 17 2007.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Freedom_Day

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« Reply #106 on: November 05, 2006, 11:22:38 AM »
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nope tax freedom day is when you are theoretically done with all your tax burden for the year.  this year it's actually April 17 2007.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Freedom_Day


HUH?  IMHO there is NO SUCH thing as TAX FREEDOM DAY.
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« Reply #107 on: November 06, 2006, 08:53:38 AM »
I used to think that cops were underpaid but do not think so now.

There is no requirement that they be in good enough shape to defend or help me... same for firemen... they requirements for the job are very minor and they make about 60K a year without any overtime... or... any rise above patrolman...  they get 3% per year pers retirement at 50 so can retire with pretty much a full salary at 50.

They are a colection of small women and weak men these days who are afraid of their own firearms.    The fire department is not much better for the most part.

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« Reply #108 on: November 06, 2006, 09:24:09 AM »
lazs, I'm sure glad I don't live in your town.  most of the police and first responders here are not only physically fit but also pretty good at what they do.

 many of the policemen I know are pretty poor shots and I love taunting them at the range but they "aren't afraid of their weapons" as you put it.  I agree with you though and I'm not a big fan of the police department but it's a necessary job, a thankless one at that.  sixty grand a year is chump change especially considering that they just might not make it home for supper one night because some bottom feeder got angry.  

all in all law enforcement has my respect collectively, though not always individually.  my view is that I don't necessarily have to respect the man but I can respect his profession and treat that person with the due respect his job entitles him to have.  my view comes from considering what they do to earn their money and the realization that they couldn't pay me enough to do that every day.

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« Reply #109 on: November 06, 2006, 09:32:45 AM »
as I typed this up above a serious accident occured on I-95 in the southbound lanes at NW 135st.  a gasoline tanker jackknifed and fell 18 feet from an overpass onto NW 135st (a major east west artery in north miami) and caught fire.  within minutes first responders had contained the fires with no loss to property in the immediate area.  there are church, business, residential and school properties.  the church was in immediate danger of catching fire.  sadly the truckdriver pershied in the accident.  my tax dollars at work in sterling form.  thank you first responders.

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« Reply #110 on: November 06, 2006, 10:14:56 AM »
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my tax dollars at work in sterling form.



So, private industry probably would have done the job better and cheaper.

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« Reply #111 on: November 06, 2006, 10:23:22 AM »
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So, private industry probably would have done the job better and cheaper.
 there are some services that are not handled better by private industry.  garbage collection is one, emergency services is another.  besides since you oppose paying taxes they would never come to your house.

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« Reply #112 on: November 06, 2006, 10:36:47 AM »
Storch, I can't tell if you're deliberately distorting our views on taxes or if you simply don't understand that, for the most part, we object to OVER-taxation.  If you can't differentiate between criticizing waste, overtaxation, and empire building, then you may be operating under some dramatically incorrect conceptions about the issue being discussed.
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« Reply #113 on: November 06, 2006, 10:39:58 AM »
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there are some services that are not handled better by private industry.  garbage collection is one
What a fascinating example!

http://www.wastec.org/NSWMA/Service_At_A_Bargain.pdf

Nationally, garbage collection is handled by private industry at a significant savings.
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« Reply #114 on: November 06, 2006, 10:56:21 AM »
well now here's an area I am very familiar with.  I reside in one town and own a business in the adjacent town.  the town where my business is located utilizes a nationally known  waste service removal contractor and I pay nearly double the fee directly to this outfit for terrible service.  I have dragged them before a magistrate on several occassions, prevailed with my complaint not paid for the services, collected my attorney's fees and they keep performing badly!!!  the town where my business was located before collected the refuse themselves in a timely fashion for 40% less money.  the town I live in has even picked up garbage the day after a hurricane.  in the aftermath of the hurricane they collected whatever was placed curbside for months, no restrictions.  the town where my business is located had to sub contract the county to help out because the contractor refused to collect hurricane debris.

you guys have been arguing with me about about paying basic taxes.  the impression I get is you guys are completely against any form of taxation.

my argument is that
1. we are not overly or unfairly taxed and we are taxed with representation.  even the federal income tax was approved by voters of the period.  the income tax is not an illegal tax.
2. no one, even the gubmint can place an exact figure on just what the exact amount of tax needs to be.

 I am against any and all tax increases and always vote against them, the citizens here generally approve tax increases almost every election cycle.  this is how our gubmint runs, it works better than anyone else's in the world.  I agree though, it's still flawed and needs tweaking.
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« Reply #115 on: November 06, 2006, 02:01:10 PM »
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well now here's an area I am very familiar with.  I reside in one town and own a business in the adjacent town.  the town where my business is located utilizes a nationally known  waste service removal contractor and I pay nearly double the fee directly to this outfit for terrible service.  I have dragged them before a magistrate on several occassions, prevailed with my complaint not paid for the services, collected my attorney's fees and they keep performing badly!!!  the town where my business was located before collected the refuse themselves in a timely fashion for 40% less money.  the town I live in has even picked up garbage the day after a hurricane.  in the aftermath of the hurricane they collected whatever was placed curbside for months, no restrictions.  the town where my business is located had to sub contract the county to help out because the contractor refused to collect hurricane debris.

you guys have been arguing with me about about paying basic taxes.  the impression I get is you guys are completely against any form of taxation.

my argument is that
1. we are not overly or unfairly taxed and we are taxed with representation.  even the federal income tax was approved by voters of the period.  the income tax is not an illegal tax.
2. no one, even the gubmint can place an exact figure on just what the exact amount of tax needs to be.

 I am against any and all tax increases and always vote against them, the citizens here generally approve tax increases almost every election cycle.  this is how our gubmint runs, it works better than anyone else's in the world.  I agree though, it's still flawed and needs tweaking.


Not arguing about BASIC taxes.  Arguing about what we see as OVER taxation.

Taxes are necassary.  OVER TAXATION is NOT!

I have noticed that my statement that over 50% of each dollar we spend goes toward taxes has been ignored.

The No. 1 of your argument is more a case of view point.   AND by the original tax law the Income Tax we all now pay by april 15 was supposed to be totally VOLUNTARY!  That is a major reason it got passed.  Furthermore a person could withdraw from paying Income Tax when that law was originaly written.  In fact if you look at it that part is STILL written within the text of that law.  But just try it!  See where it gets you.

Not saying it's illegal saying it has gone WAY beyond it's original intent and become a MONSTER!  Part of the reason it did so was the COLD WAR.
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« Reply #116 on: November 06, 2006, 02:13:25 PM »
Storch, since you've stepped around this point a number of times, I'll repeat it a few times to see if it can get your attention:

We are against OVER-taxation.
We are against OVER-taxation.
We are against OVER-taxation.

If you continue to blithely suggest that we're a bunch of tax dodging anarchists, the only credibility hurt is your own.

What you have established:
1. You enjoy paying taxes.
2. Our current taxes are fine.
3. You directly benefit from big pork projects that make government better because you get their contracts, so you can't fathom why those of us whos money is being spent on you might possibly object to empire building.
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« Reply #117 on: November 06, 2006, 02:25:03 PM »
storch.. I don't know about where you live but here trash collection is indeed handled by private companies and they do a very good job..

As the standards for police and fire continue to decline I would expect that we will have no choice but to privatize these services.

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« Reply #118 on: November 06, 2006, 02:31:15 PM »
Just about all taxation is over taxation.

Everyone is going to have a different idea of what services they just need someone else to pay for.  It all depends on one's special interests and thier sense of entitlement.

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« Reply #119 on: November 06, 2006, 03:49:57 PM »
it's under 50%  but let's say it's 50% for argument's sake.  what is the tax rate in other industrialized nations?  during the johnson administration the tax rate was approaching 80% in some brackets.

now if you ask me would I like to pay less taxes then the answer is yes of course I would.  would I refuse to pay the taxes I'm legal required to pay?  never.  why?  because it is my obligation as a beneficiary of this great republic to shoulder my share of the load.  

my position on this topic is not predicated upon whether or not I'm awarded government contracts.  the work the government subs out will have to be performed by someone.  I'm qualified by training, experience, business acumen and financial ability to bid on and win some of these contracts in a competetive bidding environment.  I see it as another way for me to provide my country a useful service and the government is still getting back from me what I was initially trained to do as a petty officer in the United States Navy.