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« Reply #90 on: November 03, 2006, 06:03:31 PM »
it's not your money, it's not my money.  it's the money you have to spend to pay for your use of the highways, infrastructure, parks, coastlines waterways, to be able to go about your business with a fairly reasonable assumption that you will be home for supper without being killed by a foreign invader.  geez you guys remind of the fat guy complaining about the farmer, with his mouth full.

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« Reply #91 on: November 03, 2006, 06:12:25 PM »
here we go again.  it's voluntary on my part.  I believe it to be a necessary expenditure.  if the IRS never ever enforced and no one else paid their fair share, I would still pay mine.  it's an obligation, I as a man who is the beneficiary of this great way of life, of this the best form of government in the entire history of humankind feel obligated by my sense of right and wrong to pay my fair share.  don't you see it's a matter of principal?  we must all pay our own way.  friends, in life we must each bear our own burdens.  taxation is as necessary and correct as is the need to eat and to drink and to breathe.  it's not good or bad, it just is.

besides even if I didn't believe all of that (and I do) I would type it just to argue with you guys.

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« Reply #92 on: November 03, 2006, 09:47:48 PM »
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Don't you see it's a matter of principal?  we must all pay our own way.  friends, in life we must each bear our own burdens.  taxation is as necessary and correct as is the need to eat and to drink and to breathe.  it's not good or bad, it just is.

besides even if I didn't believe all of that (and I do) I would type it just to argue with you guys.

What about a tax on eating, drinking and breathing?  That'll make good revenue..
The principle is taxing when it's necessary, not when any lawmaker fancies it.

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[...]reasonable assumption that you will be home for supper without being killed by a foreign invader.

You mean detention centers would stop foreign invasion?
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« Reply #93 on: November 03, 2006, 10:05:31 PM »
Emotion, particularly pride, displaces reason. Intellectual integrity, look it up, understand it, embrace it.

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« Reply #94 on: November 03, 2006, 10:17:12 PM »
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According to this:

http://news.pacificnews.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=eed74d9d44c30493706fe03f4c9b3a77&fark

Halliburton has just received a $365 million contract to build detention centers across the US.  As Fark quipped, "trust us, (they) will never ever be used to hold dissenting citizens."

If you're not concerned, y'all still aren't paying attention.  Even if you completely trust the current administration from the deepest parts of your heart and believe that they represent everything that's fantastic about trustworthiness, character, and unadulterated fantasticness, can you imagine how something like this might/will be abused by subsequent administrations?

What is the purpose of this, anyhow?  Also, even if you approve of it, how does this possibly jibe with the idea that the current administration represents smaller government?


They are for 08 when Bush refuses to leave office. And has all the Democrats and political enemies interned there and assumes the throne of the USA and is proclaimed "Dictator for life" by the hand picked Republican controlled  Senate.

Hmmm. seems I've heard a similar story before somewhere :noid
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« Reply #95 on: November 04, 2006, 02:22:51 AM »
Who was that reply for, Suave?
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« Reply #96 on: November 04, 2006, 03:38:24 AM »
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the point is they don't make me pay my taxes, I do so voluntarily.  it is my obligation as a citizen and participant in our great free enterprise system.  this is what I believe eg. this is what I do.


Laz's point is that if you for any reason do NOT pay your tax...........

you will be in BIG trouble.
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« Reply #97 on: November 04, 2006, 04:54:15 AM »
since that will never happen the point is moot.  my point is this, since some of these guys are so against paying taxes, don't.  if I felt the way some of these posters do, I wouldn't.  it shows a tremendous lack of conviction and courage to feel something is wrong and to go ahead and do it just because you fear the consequences.  they're just poltroonish, they may howl about it but are willing to nothing except cry.

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« Reply #98 on: November 04, 2006, 07:25:10 AM »
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since that will never happen the point is moot.  my point is this, since some of these guys are so against paying taxes, don't.  if I felt the way some of these posters do, I wouldn't.  it shows a tremendous lack of conviction and courage to feel something is wrong and to go ahead and do it just because you fear the consequences.  they're just poltroonish, they may howl about it but are willing to nothing except cry.


It was tried in the mid 70s by some.  They're now in jail, for a very long time, or dead.  So doing what your saying they should or, that you would if you felt the way you believe they feel, is very nearly like committing suicide.

What many are objecting too isn't taxes so much!  It's the way our gubmint uses what is takin and how they take it, that brings out the objections of most.  The original income tax act was set up as a VOLUNTAIRY system and was intended to be used to pay WAR debts.  It got WAY out of control.  It's pretty clear in the original documents.

Question >>>> Do you really believe the patriot act was made for patriots?

Question >>>> Do you REALLY believe that taxes, yep JUST TAXES doesn't eat up just abit over 50% of every one of your dollars?
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« Reply #99 on: November 04, 2006, 10:26:42 AM »
storch.. the more taxes you pay the stronger your government gets and the less freedom you have.   It is that simple...

You won't even realize it untill it is your ox that is being gored and then you will howl like a banshee...  You won't resist tho because...  for one thing... you are a complacent type.. and for another... you will be imprissoned or killed if you resist.

You won't even know the crap you got the rest of us in until it is too late.  You will blame the other party while for it.. when in reality... It was you who voted in the power they are using against you.

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« Reply #100 on: November 04, 2006, 10:35:35 AM »
Yep.
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« Reply #101 on: November 04, 2006, 03:23:20 PM »
I'm strongly oppose the patriot act.  I I alwys vote no on any new taxes.  tax freedom day is in mid may now so it's just under 50% overall.  compare that to the amount taxes paid by citizens of our G8 cousins.

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« Reply #102 on: November 04, 2006, 04:04:31 PM »
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my dear thrawn,

these bureaucrats and politicians that you malign are also fellow citizens.  they are performing dull and thankless jobs with little recognition for their efforts.  they are often underpaid


If you're talking about cops, I agree. I was underpaid.

But congress people?, they don't struggle:
Dennis Hastert made $3 million by buying land and using his power to build a tax payer fnded freeway near it.

Maxine Waters kids have scamed $450,000 / $115,000 respectively, her husband $500,000.. all thanks to mom being in congress.

A long time friend of Rep. Charles Taylor  has been involved in a series of fraudulent loans totaling $2.27 million  Taylor has also taken 10 tax payer paid trips to Russia to further his business interests.

Rep Gary Miller In 2005 made between $1.1 and $6 million using his power to leverage real estate deals. Miller also earmarked $1.28M in tax payer $$ for street improvements near a planned residential community he owns.

Rep. John Sweeney invited 53 people to join him from January 6-9, 2006, for a “Congressional Winter Challenge” at the Lake Placid Olympic facilities. His guests enjoyed pretending to be Olympic athletes, all paid for with New York taxpayer dollars... how many citizens get that?

In return for writing two letters, Rep. Pete Sessions received a total of $20,500 from those he helped. After receiving $30,000 in soft dollars from a tech company, Sessions earmarked $800K, with another $8M in tax dollars for that company.

...and there's the dude who had $90K in his freezer.

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« Reply #103 on: November 04, 2006, 04:21:25 PM »
those are a very small percentage of the politicians.  but they do tarnish the whole profession.  I think the police, first responders, teachers, infrastructure workers, clerks, medical personel, career diplomats, bureaucrats and our armed services people are all underpaid.

I wouldn't perform any of those jobs for what they get paid even in the top positions let alone the starting salaries.

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« Reply #104 on: November 04, 2006, 04:35:56 PM »
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I'm strongly oppose the patriot act.  I I alwys vote no on any new taxes.  tax freedom day is in mid may now so it's just under 50% overall.  compare that to the amount taxes paid by citizens of our G8 cousins.


Nope!!!!

Your INCOME taxes are paid on that date.

You are paying taxes continually all year long.

Phone tax, fuel tax, purchase tax, etc etc etc

Then you have the so called hidden taxes.

The ones charged to the shippers, manufacturer, merchandiser, ... the list goes on.................  these are ALL passed on to the buyer by adding to the purchase price/cost!

You are paying about 60% of each dollar into some tax or another.
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